Siener van Rensburg

[Master Cain]

As confirmed by Dave he has a lot of ramblings yet you listed a definite list of things he predicted. All I requested is that you please tie at least one of these predictions into the ramblings so we can see how you drew this conclusion. It obviously required some interpretation on the part of the believers. Be so kind as to give us "non believers" a pointer...

My understanding of Dutch will be sufficient to make the correlation if one exists.

Na daardie twee groot slaë gelewer is op die Westerfront Kom Vyf Duitse oorlogskepe na Duitswes en een Vliegkamp skip na Duits Oos.

Sodra die oorlog skepe land, sien ek die Engelse vlug weg uit Rhodesiä en Kaapland. Ons Parlement sit daardie tyd. Dit het gereen en die gras is groen. Dan word die gras weer wit en droog en net sodra die gras weer mooi groen word ver die tweede maal, Kom daar 3 blou briewe (blou is goeie nuus ver ons) As die derde brief in die Parlement kom, sien ek hulle spat uitmakaar, en vlug haastig weg uit die Kaap. As hulle hier kom sit ons op ons perre en beweeg ons in die rigting van Lichtenburg. Daar bÿ die koppie kom ons bymakaar en daar kom 'n Man met 'n bruin pak klere en hÿ spreek ons toe. Daarna draai ons terug en trek weer hier af. net ssos in (1914) maar die keer op ons tÿd. Ons vlug nie soos in 1914 (Ons het ook nie in 1914 gevlug nie, maar ons goed het streep gelë om ver ons perde ligter te maak). Daar onder langs Grootrivier Kom Wes-Transvaal Suid Vrÿstaat en Oos Kaapland bÿmekaar en daar ontmoet ons die Duitsers, en daar krÿ ons al die gewere en kanonne wat ons nodig het. In hierdie tÿd sien ek in Johannesburg 'n baïe Groter staking as wat daar in 1922 was en al die treine in die Unie behalwe die trein tussen Prieska en Duitswes staan doodstil. Ook hulle staak.

The co-ordinates where the Luderitzbocht/ Prieska railway line stops:
S 26 34.698 E 15 37.681.
During Siener's lifetime only fishing vessels could use the harbour. The harbour was recently deepened to accommodate bigger ships.

http://www.namport.com/content/show.php?m=5&sm=30

 

[Master Cain]

Mmmmm, I think I read that in one of his ramblings he refered to a herd of donkeys that would not believe or understand what he was rambling about. I think at least that vision became true.

Do you have a link to this vision? I would really like a reference to it! LOL!

 

[Master Cain]

You can find plenty references to what Hitler said online and most people did not like what he said.....

And I apologise if you feel this questioning of your arguments is an attack.

You obviously do not understand my point of view here. I am not here to defend Siener's visions. I only try and inform people.
For interest sake, Siener also predicted a famine due to the failed Mealie crop.
40 000 hectares of maize was planted by a farmer during the last season without a single mealy pip harvested. Why? There were no seeds on the plants.

http://www.sake24.com/articles/defa...ArticleId=6-98_2540732&IsColumnistStory=False

 

[LancelotSA]

You obviously do not understand my point of view here. I am not here to defend Siener's visions. I only try and inform people.
For interest sake, Siener also predicted a famine due to the failed Mealie crop.
40 000 hectares of maize was planted by a farmer during the last season without a single mealy pip harvested. Why? There were no seeds on the plants.

http://www.sake24.com/articles/defa...ArticleId=6-98_2540732&IsColumnistStory=False

These are all wonderful but could you try and post some of the original text for these predictions. All we are getting is things said to us and then told he predicted them so we are not able to judge ourselves. I have seen some references online but all of them have already been "translated" and therefore they say exactly what the person who is posting them wants them to say.

Believe me I do not only take this view on Siener's predictions but Nostradamus too. Also people who attempt to translate biblical text and then show how it predicted things that are happening.... The day a prediction uses the actual names and exact dates then I will believe. People tend to be desperate to find predictions where none exist. It is the nature of mankind to want to know what the future holds for us... this is part of what makes people WANT to believe these things.

 

[Master Cain]

These are all wonderful but could you try and post some of the original text for these predictions. All we are getting is things said to us and then told he predicted them so we are not able to judge ourselves. I have seen some references online but all of them have already been "translated" and therefore they say exactly what the person who is posting them wants them to say.

Believe me I do not only take this view on Siener's predictions but Nostradamus too. Also people who attempt to translate biblical text and then show how it predicted things that are happening.... The day a prediction uses the actual names and exact dates then I will believe. People tend to be desperate to find predictions where none exist. It is the nature of mankind to want to know what the future holds for us... this is part of what makes people WANT to believe these things.

You will find Siener's visions ( without interpretation) here: http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php?t=176837&page=16
Post 239

To here :http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php?t=176837&page=19
Post 275

 

[ToxicBunny]

Here's my take on this Siener van Rensburg character...

He's a charlatan, just like Nostradamus... writes cryptic stuff, and then nutjobs interpret it to mean whatever the hell they want it to.

 

[LancelotSA]

Sorry but those are ridiculously vague. To pick on one :

"Daar is nog 'n pot op die vuur maar die vuur gaan dood."

You could really make this say anything you want it to. It could be predicting the end of the world.... there are still humans living on earth but the earth "dies" eventually killing all of us. Or no, wait, it is predicting the end of communism. Some people still cling to the belief that communism works but despite their efforts the fire goes out underneath them.

This, in my experience, is how most predictions work.... if you are vague enough it will apply to most people or events.

 

[Freshy-ZN]

Its true that some of his predictions seem totally vague and ridiculous. The question I ask myself is: "What would he have to gain by being a pretender?" He was clearly a very simple man with few material desires. At worst he was misguided but I dont see that he was deliberately trying to be famous or rich or worshipped. He clearly saw things that he couldnt explain. Perhaps he has epilepsy or has some condition that made him hallucinate but he clearly saw terrible things that he tried to make sense of. That to me is at least interesting.

 

[feo]

Sorry but those are ridiculously vague. To pick on one :

"Daar is nog 'n pot op die vuur maar die vuur gaan dood."

There's still a pot on the fire but the fire is dying?

Is that supposed to be a prediction? Of what exactly? LOL!

I'm glad I haven't waded through the 500+ replies in this thread because if that's the kind of crap people believe nowadays then we have a REALLY gullible bunch on here.

Master Cain, what exactly was the prediction of in the abovementioned example?

 

[Master Cain]

Sorry but those are ridiculously vague. To pick on one :

"Daar is nog 'n pot op die vuur maar die vuur gaan dood."

You could really make this say anything you want it to. It could be predicting the end of the world.... there are still humans living on earth but the earth "dies" eventually killing all of us. Or no, wait, it is predicting the end of communism. Some people still cling to the belief that communism works but despite their efforts the fire goes out underneath them.

This, in my experience, is how most predictions work.... if you are vague enough it will apply to most people or events.

I suppose you are looking for the explanation for the vision?
You will need the code for the symbolism in order to find the meaning.
You are looking for a vision as follows:

At 12H15 on the 20 th of December 2010 Jan Groenewalt will die in a motor car crash on the M1 in central Johannesburg. The following people will be injured: Sipho Tsabalala and his wife Sophie. They will be driving in a White Toyota Tazz.

Unfortunately visions do not work like that.
I agree, vague visions are open to any interpretations.
Not all Siener's visions were vague.

 

[feo]

Not all Siener's visions were vague.

Link us to a post that contains a non-vague vision please.

 

[Master Cain]

There's still a pot on the fire but the fire is dying?

Is that supposed to be a prediction? Of what exactly? LOL!

I'm glad I haven't waded through the 500+ replies in this thread because if that's the kind of crap people believe nowadays then we have a REALLY gullible bunch on here.

Master Cain, what exactly was the prediction of in the abovementioned example?

I have no idea what was predicted here. I need to see the sentence in context with a paragraph.
A single sentence can mean anything.

 

[feo]

I have no idea what was predicted here. I need to see the sentence in context with a paragraph.
A single sentence can mean anything.

You're gonna have to get LancelotSA to quote the entire thing in context, not sure where he pulled that sentence from.

 

[Master Cain]

Link us to a post that contains a non-vague vision please.

Knock yourself out. You can find the visions yourself. LOL!
I posted them all for your reading pleasure.

 

[Master Cain]

You're gonna have to get LancelotSA to quote the entire thing in context, not sure where he pulled that sentence from.

LOL! Same here!

 

[feo]

Knock yourself out. You can find the visions yourself. LOL!
I posted them all for your reading pleasure.

No thanks, I'm not that interested in this thread. Either just provide the link or you can continue this with LancelotSA and crew.

 

[LancelotSA]

Its true that some of his predictions seem totally vague and ridiculous. The question I ask myself is: "What would he have to gain by being a pretender?" He was clearly a very simple man with few material desires. At worst he was misguided but I dont see that he was deliberately trying to be famous or rich or worshipped. He clearly saw things that he couldnt explain. Perhaps he has epilepsy or has some condition that made him hallucinate but he clearly saw terrible things that he tried to make sense of. That to me is at least interesting.

Yip, and that is exactly why I don't have an issue with him per se but question those that follow his "preachings" with such fervour. We all have strange thoughts/dreams on occasion. For others to then try and read predictions into these would be ludicrous. It is all good and well to say that you can interpret what he said to mean something but to try and forsee where we are heading based on this (especially when is appears that they are rather tainted by Boer ideology) and taking it as the gospel seems absurd to me.

It reminds one, well at least me, of some of the cults in America.... and the danger lies in what someone else brought up here and that is some Boer leaders' decisions were based on these "predictions", which in effect can result in a self fulfilling prophecy.

 

[Jabberwocky]

going to the lichtenburg museum tomorrow.
will post pics of the nature of the original writings if possible

 

[Freshy-ZN]

Well its the old problem of if you listen to a warning or prediction of danger and thus dont do something or dont go somewhere and it doesnt happen. How do you prove the prediction was valid?

However there are examples of Siener's visions that are very clear. Like the hammer and sickle on the flag when he predicts the USSR (was that symbol used or common knowledge in the Western Transvaal in 19voetsek? And how he told of the number 15 when warning De La rey not to go to JHB and he ended up in room 15 of the hotel on the 15th day of the month. In context of the rest of that vision there is also De La rey not wearing a hat, the funeral trains the commando and all the other stuff that was very relevant when someone big dies.

 

[LancelotSA]

You're gonna have to get LancelotSA to quote the entire thing in context, not sure where he pulled that sentence from.

LOL! Same here!

Here you go.... not sure the context makes it any clearer! It appears Siener was having some fire issues at the time.... so where does one prediction start and the next end anyway? The one quoted was from one date.

9de Aug.
Voor mÿ kom 'n groot blauw doek uit en gaan oop daar is protrete van mense in en blauw letters ek het amper gelees maar nie. Toe kom 'n groot papier met zwart letters maar ek kÿk na die letters Toe volg die bÿbel en die is oop.

12de Aug.
Staan ek met nieuw pak grÿs klere nieuw veldskoene bÿ 'n nieuw zaal en toom In Europa kom 'n blauw opgerolde vlag uit.

In die Weste lê 'n groot hoop mielie stronke opmekaar wat nog net bÿ die kante brand.(Europa) In die Ooste is 'n kospot wat vuur onder is (Unie)

13 Aug.
Daar is nog 'n pot op die vuur maar die vuur gaan dood.

17de Aug.
In Europa is 'n groot mis vuur met donker rook in middel buite om brand die vuur

19de Aug.
In die Noorde van Europa is 'n groot mis vuur van uitgesteekte mis die vlam slaat in middel uit. Daar is drie groot stene, tussen die stene is vuur. Naderhand is die stene ook vuur of aan die brand.

Again I think this really just shows how it all needs to be INTERPRETED and you can interpret to say what you want. And in hindsight this is even easier to do when you have events to reference it against and make it work.