Siener van Rensburg

[Jabberwocky]

Sorry for being politically incorrect. That was the way that Siener daughter wrote the visions. In order to be correct i had to post the visions as they were written.
The visions were written in the language they then used. At the time it was not politically incorrect to refer to Black people as ******s.
Even the English did it, but they used the word *****r. (The stars are my own and not automatic censoring)

Afrikaans used plural?

 

[TMoose]

All of this is really rather easy to debunk. Name one thing that he ever predicted correctly, then quote me the exact passage where he predicted it. You won't be able to because everything he said was nonsense. Stuff like "the 7 lean red cows will eat the green grass while the big black warrior with the dung droppings runs over the red carpet" that means nothing except to people who try and make it fit after the fact. That wasn't a direct quote for those not well versed in the art of sarcasm, but it might as well have been.

Secondly, for the imagined predictions to happen there would have to be a will amongst white people to do so. There is none, except for a small group of insane people. Most people just want to get on with their lives and aren't preoccupied with BS.

Lastly, Afrikaner = Afrikaans speaking person of Dutch, German and French descent (loosely) that share a common history. Therefore Afrikaners = Boers, Boers = Afrikaners. The difference only exists in the mind of a tiny racist superstitious minority that believe that they were decedent from Israel. These people are brainwashed and delusional and hang out on forums like Stormfront where they tell each other how right and awesome they are while sharing disgusting images of people brutally murdered on farms for their own morbid and perverse curiosity while claiming that it proves their point.

So in summation, Sly21C, I wouldn't worry about this rubbish. It just isn't going to happen, much like the Uhuru when Madiba dies myth.

EDIT: I am Afrikaans, have read the Adriaan Snyman book, have seen all the "documentaries" can trace my lineage back to the Anglo Boer war and despite of all this I still call this what it is: absolute unadulterated fan fiction bull****.

 

[Master Cain]

And the incredible thing is that I have had dreams of myself lifting a fire engine up and tossing it into the air..... now I highly doubt this is possible in my time, yet I have had a vision of it!

No one said he had to have "seen" an actual black scottish child.... it was his drug induced vision!

Why don't you enlighten yourself and Google Siener van Rensburg?
That way you will find that he never used any drugs.

You stated the idiotic version of the Black boy with a kilt on as a possibility.
Not me, nor Siener.

You are trying to be too politically correct.
Tone it down a bit and you might recover some credibility.
You certainly do not impress me. LOL!

 

[Master Cain]

All of this is really rather easy to debunk. Name one thing that he ever predicted correctly, then quote me the exact passage where he predicted it. You won't be able to because everything he said was nonsense. Stuff like "the 7 lean red cows will eat the green grass while the big blag warrior with the dung droppings runs over the red carpet" that means nothing except to people who try and make it fit after the fact. That wasn't a direct quote for those not well versed in the art of sarcasm, but it might as well have been.

Secondly, for the imagined predictions to happen there would have to be a will amongst white people to do so. There is none, except for a small group of insane people. Most people just want to get on with their lives and aren't preoccupied with BS.

Lastly, Afrikaner = Afrikaans speaking person of Dutch, German and French descent (loosely) that share a common history. Therefore Afrikaners = Boers, Boers = Afrikaners. The difference only exists in the mind of a tiny racist superstitious minority that believe that they were decedent from Israel. These people are brainwashed and delusional and hang out on forums like Stormfront where they tell each other how right and awesome they are while sharing disgusting images of people brutally murdered on farms for their own morbid and perverse curiosity while claiming that it proves their point.

So in summation, Sly21C, I wouldn't worry about this rubbish. It just isn't going to happen, much like the Uhuru when Madiba dies myth.

Well spoken.
+1.
Good post.

 

[Master Cain]

Hey guys,
I am tired and bloody frozen to the bone. I am going to sleep.
It was nice chatting to you.
We will speak again tomorrow.
Good night.

Ps. Siener did predict a very cold winter with strikes! LOL!

 

[LancelotSA]

Why don't you enlighten yourself and Google Siener van Rensburg?
That way you will find that he never used any drugs.

You stated the idiotic version of the Black boy with a kilt on as a possibility.
Not me, nor Siener.

Master it would be impossible to actually speak sensibly to you as you only understand bizarre ramblings it appears! I merely offered options.... ahh you know what it is not worth it... you'll just not get it anyway unless I talk about pots boiling over a fire towards the east and .....

If you were not as brainwashed you would realise that his predictions weren't made about his time! He could just as well have been predicting the advert on TV with the black guy in the kilt that gets asked "what kind of macca are you?"

 

[daveza]

Why not just take 3 of the predictions, 2 of which have apparently come true.

He predicted Ireland's independence.
He predicted Dianna's death in a car accident.
He also predicted the third world war, where it would start as well as who would be on whose side. Germany would eventually win the war.

Are there clear and unambiguous sources for these claims.

If there are then the rest may have some substance, if not, well then we may as well read tea leaves or fortune cookies.

 

[Freshy-ZN]

I think what people who have tried to interpret his visions have done is to apply code breaking techniques. Afterall it is all code and symbolism. For eg they try the obvious first and then apply to obvious events/things. Like wagons moving meant war, Red meant enemy, blue meant the boers?, cattle meant this, women in white meant that, women in black meant something else. Then taking these 'snippets of broken code' they try to decipher the not so easily understandable recordings of his visions. I also think that if he had visions they were unlikely to be of trivial events or matters. So the one about the lid of the pot blowing off on the fire would not be about Koos van Tonder of Potchefstroom having a disaster of a backyard braai in 1998. Its going to be about something much bigger than that. So the interpreters are going to try find some correlation with significant events or when one happens and it sounds like it could have something to do with a vision they remember reading about, they revisit the text ans see.

That they havent got it down 100% is a certainty. But then who really understands Nostradamus half the time hey?

 

[Master Cain]

I think what people who have tried to interpret his visions have done is to apply code breaking techniques. Afterall it is all code and symbolism. For eg they try the obvious first and then apply to obvious events/things. Like wagons moving meant war, Red meant enemy, blue meant the boers?, cattle meant this, women in white meant that, women in black meant something else. Then taking these 'snippets of broken code' they try to decipher the not so easily understandable recordings of his visions. I also think that if he had visions they were unlikely to be of trivial events or matters. So the one about the lid of the pot blowing off on the fire would not be about Koos van Tonder of Potchefstroom having a disaster of a backyard braai in 1998. Its going to be about something much bigger than that. So the interpreters are going to try find some correlation with significant events or when one happens and it sounds like it could have something to do with a vision they remember reading about, they revisit the text ans see.

That they havent got it down 100% is a certainty. But then who really understands Nostradamus half the time hey?

New shoes = a new government.
Blue colour = Germany
Red colour or reference to a pig = Britain
A pig being slaughtered = Britain being stripped of colonies or wealth.
House = Parliament ( house with a thatched roof = Boer government)
A derogatory term for a Black person = trouble.
A fire = turmoil or civilian unrest.
Meksims= War
Wagons = Tanks or war equipment.( sometimes real wagons like in the Dorsland trek wagons that returned.)
Blue letters = Demands from Germany.
Man without a hat = person that will die soon.
Siwwe or sieves = elections
Flag dipped in blood = Vierkleur (old Transvaal republic flag)

I will add more explanations of the symbolism as we go along and as time allows me.

 

[Master Cain]

I found a online version of a English version of Adriaan Snyman's book on Siener van Rensburg.

http://www.israelect.com/reference/WillieMartin/SEER.htm

 

[ToxicBunny]

Why is Germany blue just out of interest?

And Britain red or referenced when a pig is slaughtered?

And a man without a hat being someone dying soon? (when MOST ppl don't wear hats)

I'm sorry for you, but your explanations of the symbolism are just thumbsucking "meaning" for nonsense that this lunatic wrote down.

 

[daveza]

Red colour or reference to a pig = Britain
A pig being slaughtered = Britain being stripped of colonies or wealth.

Blue colour = Germany
Blue letters = Demands from Germany.

If you accept the first explanation then yes, the second one is obvious.

But who interpreted the list of symbols?

If I believe that yellow = China then a yellow flame vision means turmoil in China...

but only if yellow = China which can't be proved .

 

[Freshy-ZN]

And a man without a hat being someone dying soon? (when MOST ppl don't wear hats)

In those days it was uncommon for men not to wear hats outdoors. And remember it is symbolism. Thus in HIS visions a man without a hat was a man who was going to die. Obviously every man is going to die but again if he indeed had visions then these would be about important men not every man and his dog.

I'm sorry for you, but your explanations of the symbolism are just thumbsucking "meaning" for nonsense that this lunatic wrote down.

I dont think Master Cain has decided these are the meanings of the symbolism. It is rather the scholars who have studied his visions and applied some sort of deciphering methods as I stated previously.

 

[BinaryJack]

Without me paging through all the 63 pages...can someone perhaps take 1 vision in its original form and copy and paste it.

I find that most symbols can be interpreted in a myriad of ways.
Symbols are subjective ans influenced in a numbe of ways.

 

[daveza]

This is the reference to the divorce and death of Princess Diana -

A ditch is in the Union and a woman emerges from the top end. She is dressed in khaki and a sieve is above her head. When the woman disappears, ears of wheat are fully developed. A thin stream of yellow water runs across an old road from North to West, and when the water had finished running across, a large flock of merinos walked along the road.

A lady wrapped in mourning cloth (death) and a sieve on the western side. There is a large shining table with cotton lying on it (dirty trick). A pile of ash lying there

I'm ummm ... unconvinced.

 

[LancelotSA]

Without me paging through all the 63 pages...can someone perhaps take 1 vision in its original form and copy and paste it.

I find that most symbols can be interpreted in a myriad of ways.
Symbols are subjective ans influenced in a numbe of ways.

Here are some that were posted.... pretty obscure to me but you judge for yourself....

Cheronobyl apparently...

22 Oct
In Europa kom 'n "boiler" uit en die vuur bars bÿ die deksel uit 'n Vrouw staan en kÿk na Noord haar kleed was wit hÿ sak af en toe is sÿ swart aangetrek sÿ draai om en gaan zit toeis sÿ heelmaal zwart aangetrek

HIV and homosexuality apparently...

30 Maart.
In Europa zit een ou kafferkie wat rokke aan het en die mis loop van hom af.

 

[daveza]

Nicolaas van Rensburg’s visions appeared in symbols, which were objects he came into daily contact with, like pigs, goats, sheep, oxen, horses, and asses. These animals also appear in different colours. For example: a red bull will be England; a blue bull—Germany, and oxen with white on the back will be America. The Afrikaner Boer nation was always seen as a greyish or brown type of animal.

Again, if the first is true then the rest make sense.

But who says a red bull will be England or a blue bull is Germany.

If you accept that 3 + 2 = 7

then it would be fair to assume 5 + 2 = 9 or 1 + 2 = 5.

 

[feo]

Here are some that were posted.... pretty obscure to me but you judge for yourself....

Cheronobyl apparently...



HIV and homosexuality apparently...

Very very obscure, again could mean pretty much anything you wanted it to mean. How this thread got to 600+ replies is amazing considering the "predictions" seem like not much more than drunken ramblings.

 

[lsuacner]

I think his prophecies were tainted by his hatred for English and Blacks. I also think extraordinary people can change their fate.

 

[daveza]

This may explain a lot of things -

At the age of seven he started his schooling which lasted a mere 20 days, for his father needed his help on their farm. From that time he never had any formal education again.

From a tender age he was known to be ‘different’, timid and reserved and never took part in the mischievous pranks of boys his age, nor did he have any real interest in farming. He mostly enjoyed listening to his mother reading to him from the Bible. By means of the Bible his mother was able to teach him, with difficulty, to read the Book by spelling and deciphering the words one at a time.

From that time until his death, the Bible was the only book he ever read and he had no interest whatever to read anything else, for he believed other books or newspapers were worldly things and did not spiritually enhance a person. This made his knowledge and visions of world affairs all the more astonishing for by only reading the Bible over a period of 55 years, he accurately forecast what would happen worldwide in the future.

20 days of education, reading one book for the rest of his life...

Surely if I only read say, the Lord of the Rings for 55 years, my entire understanding of anything that came into my head would have a reference to the only story I knew.