So I'm getting poached..

Well that just means a 60% increase can't make you happy, not "money". If you had some of this theoretical "money" you could go work at your old job if that's what you wanted.
 
rorz0r said:
Well that just means a 60% increase can't make you happy, not "money". If you had some of this theoretical "money" you could go work at your old job if that's what you wanted.
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but then its not just money making me happy, its a collection of variables
 
Sure, but then your entire life experience is a collection of variables...
 
I love all the bickering :) Yes money can make the things you do in life alot easier, i.e.
You can choose to eat out when you want, you can get that big wedding, you can get the bigger flat screen, go on holidays without regrets etc

I am not married at the moment, but will be soon :) Been together for 5 years, so the time is coming..
Get the nudges on a daily basis. LOL

Was thinking today, if I won the lottery, I would work at the same place, Cos I enjoy my current job. Just cash is the factor.

We need more software guys making millions instead of corporations milking the diligent workers for low pay, lol. I guess one side of the equation wouldnt add up.
 
rorz0r said:
Sure, but then your entire life experience is a collection of variables...
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yup, see my post in the money/happines thread :)
but thats my point, money whilst being a factor, doesnt instantly mean happy
 
JUGGY said:
I enables you to do all the things you ever wanted, you don't have to answer to a boss, you can go to every single GP in a race calendar. You can drive a nice car, spoil your wife, go on lots of holidays, give your kids the best education, help the poor, help the SPCA, donate lots of money to cancer research...

Where do I stop???

They who think it doesn't bring happines are blind.
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Every single thing you mentioned here revolves around spending or giving money.

You have not told me how it ensures HAPPINESS.
 
tau1z said:
yup, see my post in the money/happines thread :)
but thats my point, money whilst being a factor, doesnt instantly mean happy
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If you gave me R2mil right now, I would be very very happy.
 
rorz0r said:
If you gave me R2mil right now, I would be very very happy.
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I am sure if you were to have sex with Angelina jolie (or take ur pick) right now, you would also be very happy..

my point is, that 2 million, you would prob spend pretty quickly, and the happiness is temporary....if thats ur definition of happy, then cool....but it should be something thats a little longer lasting
 
blunomore said:
Every single thing you mentioned here revolves around spending or giving money.

You have not told me how it ensures HAPPINESS.
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Don't be so argumentative, being able to do these things would ensure my happiness. It's my choice please don't tell me I'm wrong....
 
tau1z said:
I am sure if you were to have sex with Angelina jolie (or take ur pick) right now, you would also be very happy..

my point is, that 2 million, you would prob spend pretty quickly, and the happiness is temporary....if thats ur definition of happy, then cool....but it should be something thats a little longer lasting
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Well once you've spent it, it's no longer money... So it must have been the money causing the (temporary) happiness.
Angelina would probably make me happy but probably not much longer than 2 minutes. Would take me ever so slightly longer to spend the 2mil.
If I had 2bil (in dollars) then it Angelina might just pop round anyway...
 
rorz0r said:
Well once you've spent it, it's no longer money... So it must have been the money causing the (temporary) happiness.
Angelina would probably make me happy but probably not much longer than 2 minutes. Would take me ever so slightly longer to spend the 2mil.
If I had 2bil (in dollars) then it Angelina might just pop round anyway...
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2 million is a house and a car...and then?
There is probably a direct relationship up to a point where the money makes you happy, based on how much money and the duration of time.
I would say even massive amounts of money, after a certain time period, stops making you happy, and you need to find something else..

The point is still, its just a factor, winning the lotto tomorrow might make someone drug like happy, but if their life is a mess, its probably not going to translate into a longterm thing...

And optimistic thinking on the lasting 2 minutes with Angelina jolie....I would give myself around a minute, and that includes losing the clothes
 
tau1z said:
Dont move just for money....if you hate your job, money is not going to help and you will regret your decision.
If the new company is a job you will love, i would move unless you really love where you work.


Thing is, ur current place knows what competitive rates are, and if they are not offering them to you , its their fault. (especially if they have lost staff members for salary reasons)
They might also feel like you are trying to blackmail them in a way, by saying you have other offers...
So unless your current place rocks (in which case present them with the offer you have), i would move (again only if the new company is a job you would love..)

Remember, change is good..
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It's a contentious issue - very few companies consciously make a decision to be market leaders ito salaries - ie most act reactively. You will pay a person as little as you can get away with since profits make the world go round. Obviously 'as little as you can get away with' takes into account supply and demand, workplace culture, type of resources you want etc. But there's a golden thread - only family will pay you more than you deserve, the rest will pay what the market and their business model dictates. Some companies consciously decide to employ cheaper resources and accept a certain level of resource churn - the industry you are in and the scarcity of your skills will determine what the company deem acceptable.

My advice(coming from an employer):
1. If you like your current job and it matches your future ambitions, Speak to your manager about the offer and mention you'd like to stay on but the other offer is making it hard to say no. Could they look at matching the offer?

2. Remember to take into account growth opportunities - sometimes taking a pay cut now in order to cash in later(after promotions etc) will far outweigh the raise a dead-end job could offer you in the short term.
 
graviti said:
Approach the current company with the new offer. If they really value you, and you give them the chance, there's a chance that they will look after you. (Increase pay, maybe add an extra perk or two). Just remember one thing though. No company in the modern climate can afford to be loyal. You have to bring in what you take out. So be realistic. If the company can afford you, then get your worth out of it. No company is ever going to pay what you are worth, unless you take it from them. They'd all have you work for free if they could. That's capitalism for you.
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Yes, and we'd all have our employers pay us big bucks for no work, that is also capitalism for you! Pfft....learn eco's my man.
 
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It's not the money that makes you happy - it's the things you can buy with it.

But back on topic - negotiating doesn't work.

Also higher salaries often come with hightened expectations in terms of hours and deadlines.
 
I also believe that negotiating is a dead-end street. It causes bad vibes, and can you continue in that environment ?

Think about it, and make your decision one way or another - don't negotiate, drop the letter on the boss' desk.

Oh, and while money may not make you happy, it sure can remove a lot of stress from your life.
 
I disagree with all the punters of the "negotiation doesnt work" angle. If it doesnt work - it means you're doing it wrong.

How you say something is frequently more important than what you're saying. I've had to negotiate before and I've had guys coming to me to negotiate and it has never ended badly or caused bad blood
 
thatdamnJoe said:
I disagree with all the punters of the "negotiation doesnt work" angle. If it doesnt work - it means you're doing it wrong.
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I disagree, many employers take it personally, and regard it as blackmail.

On the other hand they have been exploiting you if the gap is that large, so why would you have any confidence in them ?

It's a lose-lose situation, the employee can never win - I have yet to see an employer mature enough to handle a situation like this with no consequent bad vibes.
 
Like I said, all depends on how one approaches it. There are many ways to present an offer. And of course, your relationship with your employer, your employer's demeanour, how replaceable you are all plays a role. A certain way to get people fired up is to present a counteroffer in a confrontational manner. But when you sit them down, tell them how much you like your job, how badly you want to stay etc etc, and then mention that you have been approached out of the blue and the offer is good but you'd rather stay on and couldnt you guys look at something then you'd be surprised the results you could get.

I have been there and done that and have been approached by employees doing the same. And I'll say it again - if your telling your boss you've received an offer gets him upset, then you're doing it wrong
 
One of my wifes staff members (she is casual) is trying the "negotiation" on us this week. I'm not prepared to budge and she must move on. We are already started looking for her replacement today.

Neither she or any of my wifes staff are ireplaceable - the loss of them (or all) is only an inconvieniance.

The same goes with any business.
 
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