Software Piracy hurts economy: BSA

Let me use an example of someone I know..... called X ;)

Now X has never been the type to go to movies, probably been to about 3 in the last 5 years. He hardly watches much TV as he finds it inconvenient to have to watch when the broadcaster says he should watch, or most of it is just crap. Now he has uncapped internet so he has the ability to download the latest movies. He does so and watches them when it suits him. He is still not that big on watching TV so probably only watches about two a week. X WOULD NOT HAVE WATCHED THOSE MOVIES IN THE CINEMA OR ON DVD ANYWAY IF HE DID NOT DOWNLOAD THEM. GUARANTEED!

His GF (Y) loves some of the series but because they decided DSTV was too costly for what you get they stopped it a while ago. Now bear in mind they stopped it prior to the uncapped internet! X now downloads them for her to watch. Now if X did not have the facility to do this then Ys sister had already suggested that she would record them and then give them to Y to watch. BOTTOM LINE IS THAT X AND Y WOULD NOT HAVE SUBSCRIBED TO DSTV AGAIN ANYWAY THEY WOULD HAVE JUST MADE ANOTHER PLAN!

X often sees some interesting software online. He has no real desire or need for this software but would like to give it a try. An example is Photoshop. X is not a professional photographer and does not need professional image editing software. He could just as easily use GIMP for the few things he does do. However, he thought he'd give Photoshop a try. IF HE WAS NOT ABLE TO DOWNLOAD IT THERE IS ZERO CHANCE HE WOULD HAVE BOUGHT IT AS HE HAS NO NEED!

Obviously you will get people who used to go to movies a lot but now downloading means they are no longer doing that thus affecting the economy but in Xs case this is not so. Of course the pirate police cannot differentiate between the two so to nail the former X will need to get nailed too even though he has very little effect on the economy.
 
Ditto. Charge reasonable prices and people will buy your software. Localising software prices, albeit tricky, would be one way. The other way is to stop ripping off SA consumers a la R300 for a Blu-ray disc. Until then, I download x264 HD movies. It's free...

What is a reasonable price? The latest BR's cost around R200 off Amazon.
 
Let me use an example of someone I know..... called X ;)

Now X has never been the type to go to movies, probably been to about 3 in the last 5 years. He hardly watches much TV as he finds it inconvenient to have to watch when the broadcaster says he should watch, or most of it is just crap. Now he has uncapped internet so he has the ability to download the latest movies. He does so and watches them when it suits him. He is still not that big on watching TV so probably only watches about two a week. X WOULD NOT HAVE WATCHED THOSE MOVIES IN THE CINEMA OR ON DVD ANYWAY IF HE DID NOT DOWNLOAD THEM. GUARANTEED!

His GF (Y) loves some of the series but because they decided DSTV was too costly for what you get they stopped it a while ago. Now bear in mind they stopped it prior to the uncapped internet! X now downloads them for her to watch. Now if X did not have the facility to do this then Ys sister had already suggested that she would record them and then give them to Y to watch. BOTTOM LINE IS THAT X AND Y WOULD NOT HAVE SUBSCRIBED TO DSTV AGAIN ANYWAY THEY WOULD HAVE JUST MADE ANOTHER PLAN!

X often sees some interesting software online. He has no real desire or need for this software but would like to give it a try. An example is Photoshop. X is not a professional photographer and does not need professional image editing software. He could just as easily use GIMP for the few things he does do. However, he thought he'd give Photoshop a try. IF HE WAS NOT ABLE TO DOWNLOAD IT THERE IS ZERO CHANCE HE WOULD HAVE BOUGHT IT AS HE HAS NO NEED!

Obviously you will get people who used to go to movies a lot but now downloading means they are no longer doing that thus affecting the economy but in Xs case this is not so. Of course the pirate police cannot differentiate between the two so to nail the former X will need to get nailed too even though he has very little effect on the economy.

All well and good but it doesn't stop there. Mr X then gives a copy of the movie to his mate, who gives it to their mate etc. I have guys at my office with 4 TB's of movies and series. How long does it take to watch a TB of movies?
 
All well and good but it doesn't stop there. Mr X then gives a copy of the movie to his mate, who gives it to their mate etc. I have guys at my office with 4 TB's of movies and series. How long does it take to watch a TB of movies?

Ah, but as stated, I know X and X does not do this. X understands that doing this would mean distribution, something he is not willing to get nailed for.
 
All of you guys shoot down the bull**** statistics, but let's look at the REALITIES:
A company use some "unlicensed software". This software happens to be imported. So, by not spending R9000 on Photoshop how many jobs were lost? The company has a few extra bucks to keep the tea girl in her job. Who lost out? The guys sitting in a plush office making a fortune in a low-risk business sell one less copy, but they are useless at providing support, don't do any marketing and carry almost no risk.
Did these same clowns consider another study? I would love a headline:
According to the BSA a 10% reduction in corruption in government will lead to significantly more jobs, economic activity and an increase in tax revenue by 2013
 
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Boulderdash! More thumb suck figure from BSA. Fact is 99.9999% of all software sold is developed overseas. If all of the pirated software was purchase (assuming people would buy it and not just go without it) then the money would flow out of the country, instead of being used in the country to support a different sector.
 
All of you guys shoot down the bull**** statistics, but let's look at the REALITIES:
A company use some "unlicensed software". This software happens to be imported. So, by not spending R9000 on Photoshop how many jobs were lost?

Anton, why should I as a software developer not have redress if somebody uses something I have created without my permission?
 
Don't really want to go down this old path again but I should point out that in a capitalistic society, you pay whatever the seller wants or negotiate a better price with them or go without.

Nope! I'll download an HDRip, 720 or 1080p! For free!
 
Ditto. Charge reasonable prices and people will buy your software. Localising software prices, albeit tricky, would be one way. The other way is to stop ripping off SA consumers a la R300 for a Blu-ray disc. Until then, I download x264 HD movies. It's free...

I find it strange that Amazon UK can charge me R117 for a new release Blu Ray including shipping and the same movie goes for R300 at Look & Listen or Musica. :mad:
 
Don't really want to go down this old path again but I should point out that in a capitalistic society, you pay whatever the seller wants or negotiate a better price with them or go without.

Don't you bad-mouth capitalism. :mad: With intellectual property, there is no shortage of supply, ie: supply is infinite, so no matter what demand is, the price paid should be the marginal cost of producing the copy, ie: a few cents. That's capitalism.

Regulation has artificially restricted supply, and as such, intellectual property markets are statutory monopolies. That's not capitalism, that's government interference.

Pirates protest this unfair and unjust regulation through their actions. ARRRRRG
 
We do need to bear in mind that they are talking about jobs in the distribution channels too. Everyone is focussing on the developers here but those goods need to be distributed. If there is no need to distribute then there are no jobs.
 
Anton, why should I as a software developer not have redress if somebody uses something I have created without my permission?

Where did I, or anyone else for that matter, say you shouldn't have redress? Sue as much as you like!
 
All of you guys shoot down the bull**** statistics, but let's look at the REALITIES:
A company use some "unlicensed software". This software happens to be imported. So, by not spending R9000 on Photoshop how many jobs were lost? The company has a few extra bucks to keep the tea girl in her job. Who lost out? The guys sitting in a plush office making a fortune in a low-risk business sell one less copy, but they are useless at providing support, don't do any marketing and carry almost no risk.
Did these same clowns consider another study? I would love a headline:
According to the BSA a 10% reduction in corruption in government will lead to significantly more jobs, economic activity and an increase in tax revenue by 2013

What is BSA? Bull Shit Alliance?
 
We do need to bear in mind that they are talking about jobs in the distribution channels too. Everyone is focussing on the developers here but those goods need to be distributed. If there is no need to distribute then there are no jobs.

That will also become a thing of the past pretty soon. Most media will be sitting on a storage server somewhere to be downloaded. Distribution costs are cut to a bare minimum.

High speed, large capacity internet will see to this.
 
maybe they should actually get rid of the corruption in their own mids that should cut down alot
 
Another reason for piracy. The LO asks to watch one of her DVDs and we are forced to sit through some anti piracy crap, trailers and the like before she can actually watch her movie!
 
According to the Me a 90% reduction in bulldust statistics will lead to significantly less crap posted in online forums, blogs and IT news sources by any day now.

All that needs to be said really, can't bring myself to read the rubbish the BSA spews.
 
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