Some Feedback

big thing that bugs me re telkom's reasoning against the freeing up of the pipe, is the quite clear suggestion of corporate blackmail - 'if you take this from us, that project over there wont be done.'
Never mind the fact that in the first place, our taxes created this arrogant company suggesting this.
Hopefully someone will point this out at the ICASA hearings, and make the point that the freeing of the pipe into/out of SA, will cause a massive explosion of internet traffic, business and dot com startups, new jobs at new internet service providers..and this will easily over-compensate for just about anything that Telkom are suggesting will be negative results of the freeing of the pipe..

EDIT: Just read the .doc by BTTB. Nice one :)
 
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Off Topic: BTTB.. nice even 1kb of posts there. Maybe it's a sign :p
 
Any chance of a summary of Antowan’s presentation :D
 
Article on moneyweb

"Roberts said capping is "common international practice", and that it "was always a condition of service". Roberts gave examples of services capped at 1GB by Belgium's Belgacom, Telstra Australia, NewZealand Telecoms and British Telecom."

I say fair enough.. however if you look at the capped lines from British telecom, The 1 Gig capped line costs about R200 a month and has a line speed of 1 meg, not like our 512, for about R250 a month you can get a 2 meg line and a 15 gig cap. So yes maybe others are capping, but the price difference is unacceptable.

If I could ask how many "Gamers" out there hit their cap regularly. I've been part of an online guild with friends in the USA for over 9 years now. Last year I was playing on average 4-6 hours a night on SWG, and Beta testing WOW and GW for a while. Over weekends that could be 12 hours at a time (yeah my Fiance almost killed me, hence why I've cut down this year), Point is I only got close to my cap once, and that was while listening to Radio Gamerifts while playing for the month. Are gamers really the "abusers" or "hogs"

Do they really not understand what broadband is all about. I have friends in the USA who have 2meg wireless connections, uncapped, for about $20 a month.. go figure. My Fiance was in the States over December and using a free wireless connection at the airport downloaded her samsung cellphone drivers for her lap top at 350kbps... And thats the free service

Lastly does anyone know what has happened with telkom Changing the ADSL profiles over the last few weeks. My line is still on "tier" 2 status for checking and response (has been for 3 weeks now and no reply) Though it has got a lot better since they changed the profiles from the 640/300is back to 2048/512 configuration. One of the things the tech who is working on my line now told me when I asked him if anyone else had any problems was "To tell you the truth 80% of the people who have ADSL dont know what the hell is happening, Most of them just get it because its the "cool" thing to have and dont know what to check or what it means"

I do believe its these are the 84% of people who gave telkom a thumbs up. I also wouldn't be surprise if they only phoned the people who had never had a call logged or got close to 1 gig a month... Has anyone here ever had a phone call from Telkom asking what they thought of the service?
 
kilps said:
one that there was a WDS - isn't it WBS or am completly stupid???

You're not completely stupid. WDS was a typo on my part. Or was it more like a freudian slip ??? Guess who was dreaming about building his own wireless network based on the WRT54G ...

Another slip of mine :

ICASA : Don't you think Telkom should target a specific contention ratio ?

Me : * blah, blah, blah *

What I should have said : No. The majority of MyWireless users have 128Kbps so on paper the contention ratio on Sentech's international pipe should be better than Telkom's. Yet their international performance runs at a mere 50% of the rated capicity, whereas most ADSL subscribers enjoy 80 or 90% of the rated capicity.
 
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Never had a call from teklom regarding their service. Never expected one either. Thats a shame.
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I still sit with the bottom line problem of 60 000 ADSL users in SA and 5 million ADSL users in the UK. Sure you can argue that to allow growth you must drop the price, but, what is teklom's incentive to drop the price? They're in stasis mode now waiting for the SNO, after which hopefully they will be forced to drop the price, but - somebody give me an argument that works - a way to force them to drop the price where we all win. We get that, we got them.
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Telkom to drop price

Its simple marketing and I took that years ago.

Customer loyalty.

Dropping the price now and offering a service which is acceptable will create Customer Loyalty, If you are happy with a service or product you will not change it unless something can be offered which is better. The new SNO will not be able to do this for a while. So by preparing for this way ahead of time, Telkom will be able to create a customer base that is happy with the product and its price, and will be reluctent to move over to the new SNO.. Why by a new car when your old car is in brillent condition... Of couse this isn't the case...
 
Is there any room in all of this to challenge/criticise ICASA itself? Isn't it failing miserably at stopping a gouging monopoly from take advantage of us? Maybe ICASA will be a little more motivated to act if they realise that it is their impotence and appeasement as much as Telkom's greed and incompetence that is stunting technology growth and keeping the benefits of broadband from the bulk of the population.
 
Kalvaer said:
Its simple marketing and I took that years ago.

Customer loyalty.

Dropping the price now and offering a service which is acceptable will create Customer Loyalty, If you are happy with a service or product you will not change it unless something can be offered which is better. The new SNO will not be able to do this for a while. So by preparing for this way ahead of time, Telkom will be able to create a customer base that is happy with the product and its price, and will be reluctent to move over to the new SNO.. Why by a new car when your old car is in brillent condition... Of couse this isn't the case...

It can also be argue'd that teklom are actually creating a gap in the market that would not have existed because of our apparent unhapiness - but that's a useless argument.

Teklom have stated their own specialised facts that a good percentage of their customers are happy. Sure we have not personally been called and asked, but I cannot claim that these statistics are incorrect.

Also - South Africans are notoriously fickle, if, once the SNO appears, teklom do plunge their prices (If allowed), then most of us will stick with the cheapest service that meets our requirement.

To me-every avenue seems to be a dead end. The governmint has promised controlled SNO introduction, which means that we will loose for quite a while, but without the controlled SNO introduction, would the SNO even be here ?

In order to get cheaper ADSL with better limits, teklom has to benefit in a way that can be sold to shareholders. If I was on the board - customer loyalty would not even be 90'th priority on the list right now. Entry into another country in Africa would be much higher priority.

The facts are that teklom are so strong with such a variety of footholds that - even removing ADSL from them completely would not affect them for a good couple of years, they have much bigger projects on the go.

SHORT: I just don't think that customer loyalty will cut it.
 
Telkom has never had to cultivate customer loyalty. They've never had to. Which is why the SNO only has to offer something reasonable to succeed.
 
I think trying to reason with telkom is just not going to happen. They are simply not interested as they have no incentive to do so.

The only way I see this complaint to have an impact is for ICASA to be motivated enough to take action and start using their regulatory authority.
 
stoke said:
SHORT: I just don't think that customer loyalty will cut it.

Very true. As I said I did some marketing courses years ago, in 97 so its very far back in my mind. Telkom has never needed customer loyalty.

The Reason: If you are not happy with a service and or product you change to something else.. Up to now we have not had another choice. Granted now days we do have other choices but once again if you have to compare them Telkom does unfortunatly still have the better service. So its that attitude of " If you dont like it go somewhere else" That is the crappest customer services out but their isn't anything we can do about it.

From my courses I remember that the easiest way to convince a purchaser to buy your product was to convince him that he needed the product. Customers are divided into 3 catagories. Those that Need the Product, Those that want the Product, and those that dont need/want the product. (Its pointless trying to sell Snow to an Eskimo)

However if one is able to convice a customer that they really do need the product through effective marketing you can create a larger customer base by creating more people in the "want" Catagory, who believe they need the product. The best marketing is word of mouth from friends and its free. So keep your customers happy and loyal and they will attract more customers

Currently most people do not "NEED" ADSL and can get by without even if it is painful, There are of course the people who do need it for their business applications and so on. It was mentioned above that who knows what it might be like in the future when ADSL and internet access is a product you can not do with out, just like running water and phone lines.

Those that are in the want catagory, usually spend their money first on things they need, If they have money left and are convinced that their "want" is great enough, will purchase the product. There are a **** load of people in the "want" catagory but there could be more, but they can not afford it. By dropping the price you widen this market and allow more people to fill this gap.

So for example:

You have 1000 people paying R1000/month . Thats R1 000 000/month
Now drop your price to R500, and assume you at least double your target market, You are again recieving the same amount per month. Of course with the way technology is going I'm pretty sure you would more than likely triple that market so would in fact have R 1 500 000/month

Using a figure of say 50 000 users that is R50 000 000/month if you can triple the current market by widening the "want" customer base, thats R75 000 000.

Of course with a New SNO you would lose at least a 3rd of your current customers, meaning you are once again back at your original starting figure of R50 000 000. Doesn't seem bad to me for losing a 3rd of your clients!

BUT if you clients are loyal to you because of a better service. You would not lose that 3rd of your clients due to customer loyalty, So in the long run you end up scoring more.

Only problem with this is the total amount of bandwidth allocated. By tripling the total client base Telkom would very very quickly run out of their allocated bandwidth (I'm not sure about this but as far as I know they are already selling more than they own, and some of the big corporates ie Microsoft, Bayer Pharma, etc are not too happy about this as it is),

So it comes down to Telkom needing more bandwidth before the can increase that client base. So right now they dont give a damn because I guess they still dont need customer loyalty because we have no choice. With the new SNO though that will become an issue. But by that time it will be to late for Telkom, though i'm sure they will still find a way to screw us over

Or am I completly off the beaten path here? :)
 
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antowan said:
Icasa's invitation for written submissions in a December issue of the government gazette resulted in an unprecedented 446 written submissions received by the regulator, said Mamodupi Mohlala, the chairperson of the panel, at the opening of the hearings on Wednesday morning.

Plus how many members of MyADSL and other Entities.

Rudolf Muller speaks on behalf of MyADSL.
MWeb speaks on behalf of how many hundreds of thousands of subscribers.
Etc Etc.
 
Well done to everyone!!!

Any possibilities of listening or viewing any of the hearings?

Syzygy78
 
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