Some M$ history...

Ballmer is one arrogant prick... saw the douche on CNN going on about future products even though what he's plugging are reworks of Apple innovations(WMobile having a simplified interface and their app store). Watching him just made me love the fact that I use linux now.
 
Aqua_lung said:
Ballmer is one arrogant prick... saw the douche on CNN going on about future products even though what he's plugging are reworks of Apple innovations(WMobile having a simplified interface and their app store). Watching him just made me love the fact that I use linux now.
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Typical M$ strategy. They sell vaporware. MS started with DOS, then Win 1, then Win 95 was supposed to be something super cool which later turned out to be a dud, then came Win 98SE which is what Win 95 should have been, then the travesty ME then they released 2K but not for home users and finally got something right with XP. Vista also negated on many of the features they promised and finally now they have Win 7 which is much faster than Vista but it's not really much of an achievement since Solaris, Linux, FreeBSD, Mac OSX and even XP were better than Vista, and most of these systems are free.

The sad thing is that MS lied to its customers. They even lied to the US DOJ but that's another issue.
 
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I'm used to drag and drop with the Workplace Shell :o

OS2's workplace shell was light years ahead of anything windows offered (at that time).
 
A Windows programmer's story :

Once upon a time there was a poor innocent computer programmer who was looking for a job. As he wandered through a dark alley, a filthy little man approached him and said: Hey kid, wanna make a buck?

-Sure, the little programmer replied.
-Ever written billywindows programs?
-Never heard of it.
-He he don't worry, you'll learn in no time, just sign this contract. Don't hesitate. There s pretty money to be made, just a signature.

The innocent little programmer was delighted to finally have found a job and put his name at the contract and followed the filthy little man into an equally filthy house.

-So what do I do? the programmer asked.

-Just read this manual, it's really short beacuse it's so really simple to write billywindows code, he he.

The innocent little programmer started right away...

"What's an IXOCATL-structure?" he asked himself while trying to find out how to put a blopp in the lower right corner of the window. The function making a blopp in the corner needed such a structure as fourth argument.

After just 20 minutes of flickering through the manual he finally found a function called hlpwxakCreateSomeFsckingItemAndWait() that returned an IXOCATL-structure. (Although he still had found out what hell an IXOCATL-structure represented, nor why it was needed to be recreated each time the program entered the message-loop.) ...the hlpwxakCreateSomeFsckingItemAndWait() needed an HLPMEIMLOSTINAHWND-structure as eleventh argument.

...more flicking through the manual...

By coincidence, he found a line saying something about the necessity of sending a KILLMEOHGODKILLME-message to the blopp (remember that? the blopp he was trying to make in the first place) each time anything at all had happened on the screen or five terabyte RAM would instantly be allocated and an intimidating letter would be sent to the users old grandmother, implying things about accidents involving her cat and something about a chain-saw. The innocent little computer programmer wasn't lost yet, he had even dealt with RSX-11 once, and
survived. But he _was_ getting a little worried when he found out that the only way to send a KILLMEOHGODKILLME-message to the blopp was using five undocumented system calls with exactly three milliseconds delay between them or the swap would be unrecoverably lost for ever - that is, the whole partition would be lost physically. This would of course be fixed in the next release.

48 hours later he had found a way to make a blopp appear in the lower right corner of the window, but only for four seconds at the time, and only with a transparent background. The user would also have to press Ctrl-Alt-RightShift-U and sing "Land of hope and glory" and stomp his feet in the ceiling while having the third to seventh installations disks shoved up his rectum.
And never, never let go of the mouse...

The innocent little programmer decided this wasn't the kind of job he was looking for, he would be better off frying GreaseBurgers at McGrease instead, at least he wouldn't have to humiliate himself.

To save his fellow programmers from having to experience the same trauma, he decided to put "rm -rf /" as an atjob and run as hell. To much disappointment there were no such thing as atjob on a billywindows-box and really no efficient way to delete a whole branch of a filesystem tree... and no real filesystem tree either for that matter. So he settled for simply crushing the damn thing with the Ford Bronco parked in the alley instead.

He later was given a Slackware-CD by his fairy godmother and lived happily ever after.
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:D:D:D

Dunno where I got it from, found it floating around inside one of my archives...
 
Just a random bit of info for ppl discussing OS/2.. MS was involved in that project with IBM...

I can't remember the real reason it died a slow death, but a large part of it was because MS pulled out of the partnership.
 
Aqua_lung said:
MS killed it and had a better product (Windows NT) thanks to OS/2.
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MS actually killed it with Win95, before NT was remotely ready for the home market. OS/2 went into obscurity - MS business tactics and monopoly led to
OS/2 becoming obscure so that no-one coded programs for it. OS/2 could still run legacy Win16 (Win 3.11 and below) applications but with the new 32 bit applications for Win32, OS/2 was incompatible. NT only came in the form of
XP for the home market and the system requirements of OS/2 were far less than those of NT. It's FUD when people say MS allowed ordinary people to own
PCs. People would still be able to own PCs and run apps for cheap if they could
run OS/2 which was no more expensive than Windows95.
 
...Globalisation Institute in Brussels, which submitted a report to the European Commission outlining why the “bundling of Microsoft Windows with computers is not in the public interest, and prevents meaningful competition in the operating system market.”

Alex Singleton, the author of the report, noted that “cheaper competitors are unable to benefit from their lower cost because consumers have already been forced to buy Windows. Windows’ dominant position both has slowed technical improvements and prevented new alternatives entering from the marketplace.”

Neelie Kroes, the European Commissioner for Competition, earlier observed that “innovation in high technology markets” has come “largely in areas that Microsoft does not control.” The Commission’s existing case against Microsoft centered on the bundling of Windows Media Player with Windows on new PCs. However, Singleton’s report urged the Commission “to go to its logical conclusion and support the ‘unbundling’ of Windows from desktop computers.”
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Read here:
http://www.globalisation.eu/publications/unbundlingmicrosoftwindows.pdf
 
And M$ will forever be evil, fine thanks we get the point.
Here's the bottom line. MS products rule the consumer computing world, this hatred that you spew is unlikely to change that. If all that you say is true, then someone somewhere would have seen it and done something about it, or rather someone somewhere who actually cared would have done something about it.

After all the hate, the bashing, the stupid rhetoric and the links (there will always be links on the net to articles that don't like products X, company Y) the windows platform runs about 10X the amount of software all those other OS combined do, and it also supports 10X the peripherals. Until there's an equivalent lets let it rest please. :)

It would also be nice if instead of trampling everything Microsoft to promote Apple or Linux, you'd actually highlight what it is they( apple and linux) do right. For if MS is so bad, your constant comparison to them, means your chosen operating systems are competing with the worst OS on earth. Being better than that isn't an achievement, it merely means you have a very low bar.
 
ShockG said:
And M$ will forever be evil, fine thanks we get the point.
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LOL. You get the point? When did you 'get' the point?


Here's the bottom line. MS products rule the consumer computing world, this hatred that you spew is unlikely to change that. If all that you say is true, then someone somewhere would have seen it and done something about it, or rather someone somewhere who actually cared would have done something about it.
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Hatred? You're transferring your own emotions onto me. I have no hatred for an entity like M$. Maybe you hate Nintendo or Apple but I bear no hatred. I'm just pointing out some unfair practices to clueless guys like you and I am Penguin ;).

Well lots of people are doing something about it. M$ is trashed in the portable player market (Zune is a waste of money). M$' Vista is a dud, many users are switching to Linux or Mac. Many governments and companies are going OpenOffice, Linux or staying with XP. M$ mobile platform is the 3rd worst after Mac OSX and Symbian. Xbox360 games are expensive and people are moaning about them.... bla bla. Etc. FOSS is out there.
EU is fining M$. Ballmer and co have to resort to idiotic ads which fail to resurrect Vista. People are smarting up.

After all the hate, the bashing, the stupid rhetoric and the links (there will always be links on the net to articles that don't like products X, company Y) the windows platform runs about 10X the amount of software all those other OS combined do, and it also supports 10X the peripherals. Until there's an equivalent lets let it rest please. :)
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Well I'm sorry but this has nothing to do with liking or not liking something. M$, in that independent EU report was shown to be a negative influence on consumers. I think I'll believe that report than I'll believe you who thinks I have some personal vendetta. I'm just posting some text and it correlates with much of what I've experienced with M$ since the early 90s.

If you don't like it -- tough. Last time I checked the government did not give you a licence to gag other people. ;) So be mature about this and instead of attacking the poster (me) write a rebuttal. If you can't just say you can't and don't go lamenting about it. ;)

It would also be nice if instead of trampling everything Microsoft to promote Apple or Linux, you'd actually highlight what it is they( apple and linux) do right. For if MS is so bad, your constant comparison to them, means your chosen operating systems are competing with the worst OS on earth. Being better than that isn't an achievement, it merely means you have a very low bar.
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What do they do right? They the opposite of M$ basically with some minor sins, but yeah. Anyhow I'm not a Mac or Linux fanboi. Please don't label me with your own preconceived ideas. I pick and choose my technology - I may dislike Sony but I'm happy with their HD Cams, I may like Apple Macs but I think their iPods are inferior to 3rd party products, I may think M$ is monopolising the industry for years now, but... Windows XP works in a sort of semi functional way - on a wing and a prayer as they say.

Remember this is a forum, it's a site where people debate. It's not a site where you'll always read stuff you thought was correct. Someone may come along and actually teach you something, you may discover some truths in this world, or have a laugh or post a reply where you disagree. Don't attack me for having an opinion, post your own facts if you disagree with my take on things.
 
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Windows runs 10x the software? LOL

Actually, Linux gives you access to literally millions of free applications. Some of these are ported to Windows and have a native Windows version. Others just won't run on Windows.
On top of that, Linux, through something like wine, is able to run a LOT more of Windows' software.

You can't say that an OS runs more software than another just because it runs the specific software YOU are accustomed to.

Why is Linux made more user friendly? Because it is developed by people who have a personal interest in it. People add what THEY feel is useful. They improve what THEY want. The best thing about Linux is that if you DON'T like something, you have the freedom to change it. If it lacks a feature you want, add it. If a feature is broken, fix it. If you are too lazy, or lack the skill, don't complain; use something that HAS the working feature you require.

People seem to have this idea that the Linux world is so sad about others not using the operating system. In reality, Linux users will continue to use Linux until something better comes along, and Windows users will continue to use Windows until something better comes along. And until then, Windows users who actually attempt using Linux will run into snags and 'threaten' Linux users to receive help. "If I can't get xyz to work, I'm going back to Windows". It's not relevant to the problem, we don't REALLY care that much, and if xyz is really THAT mission critical, you should stick with whatever runs it out-the-box until xyz matures on another platform.
 
sn3rd said:
Windows runs 10x the software? LOL

Actually, Linux gives you access to literally millions of free applications. Some of these are ported to Windows and have a native Windows version. Others just won't run on Windows.
On top of that, Linux, through something like wine, is able to run a LOT more of Windows' software.

You can't say that an OS runs more software than another just because it runs the specific software YOU are accustomed to.

Why is Linux made more user friendly? Because it is developed by people who have a personal interest in it. People add what THEY feel is useful. They improve what THEY want. The best thing about Linux is that if you DON'T like something, you have the freedom to change it. If it lacks a feature you want, add it. If a feature is broken, fix it. If you are too lazy, or lack the skill, don't complain; use something that HAS the working feature you require.

People seem to have this idea that the Linux world is so sad about others not using the operating system. In reality, Linux users will continue to use Linux until something better comes along, and Windows users will continue to use Windows until something better comes along. And until then, Windows users who actually attempt using Linux will run into snags and 'threaten' Linux users to receive help. "If I can't get xyz to work, I'm going back to Windows". It's not relevant to the problem, we don't REALLY care that much, and if xyz is really THAT mission critical, you should stick with whatever runs it out-the-box until xyz matures on another platform.
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I think no-one responded to you because those with the most heat under the collar whenever I bash their darling OS, are often those who respond more with ad hominem attacks instead of facts. In your case, your point is perfectly valid, but I'm sure if I posted what you posted, I'd be attacked viciously :).

Hopefully from now on M$ arrogance will lead to an increase in alternative OSes and maybe more programs will be made available then are currently for the alternatives, including Windoze ports to Linux based OS'es and others.
 
For so many people who dismiss Microsoft and Microsoft's products you certainly spend a fair amount of time preaching about it and against it.. Do you get a dollar everytime someone forsakes windows for Linux or an Apple? Were you molested by windows when you were young?

Share with us who truly don't give a rotten fig which OS is better.
 
Slootvreter said:
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They have a pro-M$ anti-FOSS/OSX attitude but they have to report some truth. Not like the Fox Network doesn't report on US mistakes in Iraq and
Al Jazeera on terrorist bombs in the Middle East.

You're confused? Point is there are so many vulnerabilities, they just found a second one - come on pro-M$ Windoze fanboys - what's your defence?

Again, you seem to attack the messanger, what's up with that???
Please no childishness.
 
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