Some signs that SA is falling apart

[Sneeky]

Poor management is a symptom of a larger problem, poor education and corruption. If the major corporations are performing poorly it means the economy is performing poorly, if those corporations experience losses, we will experience losses. If the economy performs poorly, the country is falling apart.

I eluded to as much, but still maintain that these 'management and steering issues' are easily remedied, if there is the will to do so.
I subscribe to Mbeki's view that some of these issues are growing pains of a developing economy, however better management would minimise the effect these challenges have on our people and our economy as a whole.
Crime is another animal entirely.

 

[edc]

FACT: SA has more cars on the road today then 10 years ago.

FACT: SA has more houses plugged in the power grid then 10 years ago.

FACT: The middle class in SA has grown in the past 10 years

FACT: Shortages occur because of demand.

Are these signs of a country falling apart? No!

Kenya has twice as many schools as it did 30 years ago, it is still not enough schools.

The roads are in a state because of the rail roads which are in a state, heavy trucks are destroying the infrastructure, transporting things which should be done via rail.

The capacity to generate electricity has not increased in relation to the demand. This winter with increased demand for heat, we will experience the shortage.

Shortages does not occur because of demand alone, it occurs because of a lack of supply also. The demand of water is not higher in a desert than in a rain forest. The supply differs.

Economic growth is preceded by:
- politcal stability
- education
- technology
- savings and investment
- well defines laws of owership

Do we satisfy the requirements? We are growing, is it sustainable and can we grow faster? I believe the economy is falling apart. I do not want to be here in 10 years.

 

[nocilah]

I believe the economy is falling apart. I do not want to be here in 10 years.

Your credentials and drivel mean nothing when i see international companies entering south africa on a daily basis because they believe they can make money and our economic future looks pretty certain.

Yes no idiot comes into a country without the prospect of making money long term.

Your doomsday disinformation cloaked in the typical internet (i have more credentials then you) fails to impress me when i am comparing what i am seeing and reading on a daily basis.

Has my life changed in the past 10 years? Yes! Has it gotten worse? No!

So before you start preaching about your knowledge how about applying some wisdom, because even a monkey can regurgitate out dated information.

 

[Skeptik]

It takes 1 hour to go read a few articles which will explain economic theory, I have economics 2. I don't think an uneducated person should play optimist and post if they don't have the credentials, if it be a degree or experience in the actual environment does not matter as such.

Go read a few articles before posting on economics.

You're confusing Economics as a science versus the economics we see in the domestic marketplace. Of course anybody can comment on how they see things and how it affects them. This is what science is about and how it developed. It didn't start as a science now did it? So don't get a fat head now ...
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I can think of so many examples of how this country is deteriorating it makes my head spin. I just think of how many times I've had to take things back to the shop. Manufacturing seems to have taken a dive and QC is out the window.

 

[chiskop]

Remember, a dam wall doesnt just suddenly break and flood the valley. First off there woulf be the small microscopic cracks that get more visible as they grow. Small indicators that something is wrong and if heeded can evert disaster...

I forgot to buy bread yesterday. More proof, if you need it, that the govt is not doing its job.

 

[edc]

Your credentials and drivel mean nothing when i see international companies entering south africa on a daily basis because they believe they can make money and our economic future looks pretty certain.

Yes no idiot comes into a country without the prospect of making money long term.

Your doomsday disinformation cloaked in the typical internet (i have more credentials then you) fails to impress me when i am comparing what i am seeing and reading on a daily basis.

Has my life changed in the past 10 years? Yes! Has it gotten worse? No!

So before you start preaching about your knowledge how about applying some wisdom, because even a monkey can regurgitate out dated information.

Money lies in developing counties, but it is high risk and high returns or high losses, if I lived overseas and had security I would invest here because of the lack of competition and opportunities. I would however be prepared to lose everything since it does not look too good.

I see the same things you see on a daily basis, but I can interpret it better. I have credentials and you have not. I lived in Kenya, I have seen South-Africa in 30 years. I have studied in detail, not just through the varsity, but through books and news also.

I'm applying what I know, would you listen to a qualified financial analyst or your family when investing your hard earned money? I'm the financial analyst.

Economic growth is preceded by:
- politcal stability
- education
- technology
- savings and investment
- well defines laws of owership

How healthy does those indicators look to you in South-Africa, compared to Australia? Those are questions you should be asking yourself.

 

[Skeptik]

Are these signs of a country falling apart? No!

WHY EVER NOT?

I don't know who your sources are, but your conclusion is definitely off!

FACT: SA has more cars on the road today then 10 years ago.

Yes, predictable, considering many are made in RSA . Doh!

FACT: SA has more houses plugged in the power grid then 10 years ago.

Completely unpredictable isn't it (NOT). We also know how much free electricity we give away, also how much we give to Zim and how much is stolen.

FACT: The middle class in SA has grown in the past 10 years

And we never knew this would happen, noooooo, 'coz we didn't study the signs ...!! Black people have large families - always have done since time began.

FACT: Shortages occur because of demand.

Shortages occur because of lack of supply. In turn, this is caused by lack of forward planning, poor infrastructure. If there is an increased demand, then why didn't they plan for that eventuality. (THINK)

 

[nocilah]

I see the same things you see on a daily basis, but I can interpret it better. I have credentials and you have not. I lived in Kenya, I have seen South-Africa in 30 years. I have studied in detail, not just through the varsity, but through books and news also.

so what you are saying is you are a fortune teller?

gee that education payed off didn't it.

knowledge != wisdom.

 

[supersunbird]

And we never knew this would happen, noooooo, 'coz we didn't study the signs ...!! Black people have large families - always have done since time began.

Dude, it has nothing to do with population growth (or race) Its has to do with the amount of people earning a certain income...

 

[nocilah]

And we never knew this would happen, noooooo, 'coz we didn't study the signs ...!! Black people have large families - always have done since time began.

gee. i always thought you were dim, however this clarifies just how dim and yet you urge me to think?

plz shove your old mentality in the same place it comes from.

 

[edc]

so what you are saying is you are a fortune teller?

gee that education payed off didn't it.

knowledge != wisdom.

I'm applying what I know, would you listen to a qualified financial analyst or your family when investing your hard earned money? I'm the financial analyst.

Economic growth is preceded by:
- politcal stability
- education
- technology
- savings and investment
- well defines laws of owership

How healthy does those indicators look to you in South-Africa, compared to Australia? Those are questions you should be asking yourself.

The education did pay off.

 

[supersunbird]

FACT: SA has more cars on the road today then 10 years ago.

FACT: SA has more houses plugged in the power grid then 10 years ago.

FACT: The middle class in SA has grown in the past 10 years

FACT: Shortages occur because of demand.

Are these signs of a country falling apart? No!

FACT: The current roads cant handle them all being on at the same time and its just getting worse

FACT: When the power goes off because of inadequate supply everybody has NO power, and businesses effectively stop

FACT: I agree

FACT: Overproduce, export extra leftover supply to rest of Africa and help inprove the whole continent

 

[Drusky]

Milk is because the farmers are withholding their milk and selling it privately because they are not getting the price that they feel is deserved through official channels.

Quite right farmers aren't getting the price they need to run a viable business. They're not working 7 days a week all year because it's fun. Like any other businessman a farmer needs to get a reasonable yield from his invested time and money. That’s not why there is a milk shortage although it is a contributing factor (farmers getting out of dairy). As someone in the industry I can tell you that farmers are contracted to producers who won't allow them to sell milk privately. A farmer who is found to do this would be dropped by the producer immediately on the basis of breach of contract. Believe me it is no ones interest to "hold back milk".

You need to look at the big retail stores who pull all sorts of funny stunts to keep the milk price down for you the consumer (large retail stores subsidize milk price). End result is that prices of raw materials rise with oil price etc and the farmers and small producers fail under the pressure. But hey it's a free market right? Competition is good right? Look to yourself and the retail chains when you can’t find milk on the shelf.

 

[nocilah]

The education did pay off.

You can quote from a text book?

nahh you are a fortune teller. and a bad one at that.

 

[nocilah]

Quite right farmers aren't getting the price they need to run a viable business. They're not working 7 days a week all year because it's fun. Like any other businessman a farmer needs to get a reasonable yield from his invested time and money. That’s not why there is a milk shortage although it is a contributing factor (farmers getting out of dairy). As someone in the industry I can tell you that farmers are contracted to producers who won't allow them to sell milk privately. A farmer who is found to do this would be dropped by the producer immediately on the basis of breach of contract. Believe me it is no ones interest to "hold back milk".

You need to look at the big retail stores who pull all sorts of funny stunts to keep the milk price down for you the consumer (large retail stores subsidize milk price). End result is that prices of raw materials rise with oil price etc and the farmers and small producers fail under the pressure. But hey it's a free market right? Competition is good right? Look to yourself and the retail chains when you can’t find milk on the shelf.

ahh a breath of fresh air!

 

[Skeptik]

Dude, it has nothing to do with population growth (or race) Its has to do with the amount of people earning a certain income...

gee. i always thought you were dim, however this clarifies just how dim and yet you urge me to think?

plz shove your old mentality in the same place it comes from.

I don't think either of you see the logic, so I'll try again.
Apartheid ended (yay).
Black people get more education than before.
Black people now get jobs they couldn't before.
Black people now get money.
Black people have large families (as before).
--BOOM-- a middle class appears as if by magic
E..n..t..i..r..e..l..y.....P..r..e..d..i..c..t..a..b..l..e...!.!

 

[edc]

You can quote from a text book?

nahh you are a fortune teller. and a bad one at that.

You base your opinion on being you and your daily observations.

I base my opinion on being financially educated and observations made during the past 200 years starting with Adam Smith.

You are sure of your opinion and I want to know why you are, why does your opinion carry more weight than mine?

 

[nocilah]

I don't think either of you see the logic, so I'll try again.
Apartheid ended (yay).
Black people get more education than before.
Black people now get jobs they couldn't before.
Black people now get money.
Black people have large families (as before).
--BOOM-- a middle class appears as if by magic
E..n..t..i..r..e..l..y.....P..r..e..d..i..c..t..a..b..l..e...!.!

the difference is no other african country has a large middle class, which is our saving grace.

it is a good thing. even our dotty wannabe economist will tell you that.

 

[Skeptik]

the difference is no other african country has a large middle class, which is our saving grace.

it is a good thing. even our dotty wannabe economist will tell you that.

Of course it is a good thing. They spend money recklessly and can be taxed like no other class can. The government loves them.

However, this country inherited its economic system from the English and Afrikaners. That's why it doesn't 'look' like other parts of Africa.

The risk is when El Presidente tries so hard to Africanize everything, it WILL look like the rest of this God-forsaken continent.

 

[nocilah]

You are sure of your opinion and I want to know why you are, why does your opinion carry more weight than mine?

because you have not compared south africa to other emerging markets.

that was the first hint of your grand stupidity.

when you start talking about brazil and india then i might consider the value of your opinion. until now you have just taken the right wing seat ranting off and of course with ramblings of how big your economic penis is... and many times have failed to understand that a monkey can learn what you have learnt but it takes more then reading to apply the knowledge.

it takes wisdom.

sure this country is a sh1thole when compared to the big nations like america, like australia.

but when you start comparing our country to emerging markets we are doing just fine.

sure we have some major failings due to inadequacies, however we should prepare to fix those inadequacies instead of ranting off like a 1980's right winger pointing a finger at our bumbling government.

would i live anywhere in africa right now? Nope cuz i am in the best place to be right now in africa.

so you can take your pseudo-econo-education and flush it down the same loo where your opinion derives.

i derive my opinion from the country i live in, not some white supremacist idiot online.