SONA 2015

mmmig said:
Malema is the big winner here. EFF is all over the media today
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How does that make them the winner? If I had dropped my pants in front of Zuma I would also have been all over the media. Doesn't mean I'll get votes.

My view is that the EFF are too militant for many. They put on a fun show but you wouldn't really want them running your country.

The internal fracturing also does not bode well for the future. Typically the leaders seem all about furthering and enriching themselves. Where have we seen that story before....
 
ZCFOutkast said:
I can assure you that if the DA had joined in - like they did the first time chaos broke out and they fought with EFF - they would be having 50% of the coverage or even more because they jumped to defend EFF.
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In politics the old adage of any publicity being good publicity hardly holds. The manner in which the EFF do things does not appeal to the more intellectual. I'd rather see my politicians intelligently debate than chant "payback the money"...

I've said several times the continuously inferior tactics of the DA, which give it little returns since this parliament was opened after the elections, are an insult to some of the intelligent brains within that party, not to mention thos eactually consulted and paid an arm and a leg to devise strategies.
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Inferior tactics? Insult to intelligence? Really?! So you think the more intelligent way to approach things is to repeatedly get yourself kicked out of parliament.

As someone mentioned somewhere the red overalls are insulting to those who are actually stuck under ground for the entire day in appalling work conditions. Not those who wear it for attention and then go home and slip into their designer clothes with their designer watches.

I take my opposition dignified. The wearing of all black by the DA was a strong message. Probably missed by the less intelligent sadly...

Hell, the fact anyone can rightfully condemn Zuma but then think that Malema would be any different is beyond me! Do you not recall how he arrived at his court appearance with fully armed security?! And you somehow think it'll miraculously be different if he were leader?

Let's not bring intelligence into this discussion.

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Dubes said:
How does that make them the winner? If I had dropped my pants in front of Zuma I would also have been all over the media. Doesn't mean I'll get votes.

My view is that the EFF are too militant for many. They put on a fun show but you wouldn't really want them running your country.

The internal fracturing also does not bode well for the future. Typically the leaders seem all about furthering and enriching themselves. Where have we seen that story before....
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Shedding your pants in public is lewd, don't conflate media attention you may garner akin to politicking - try, at least, to delineate absurdity from political aims... Your hypothesis is both silly and fallacious..
 
Posted in infographics thread as well but it's fitting here...

SONA SPEECHES: HOW COMPLEX OR SIMPLE ARE THEY? - http://ewn.co.za/Media/2015/02/13/Sona-speeches-how-complex-or-simple-are-they

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Dubes said:
In politics the old adage of any publicity being good publicity hardly holds. The manner in which the EFF do things does not appeal to the more intellectual. I'd rather see my politicians intelligently debate than chant "payback the money"...



Inferior tactics? Insult to intelligence? Really?! So you think the more intelligent way to approach things is to repeatedly get yourself kicked out of parliament.

As someone mentioned somewhere the red overalls are insulting to those who are actually stuck under ground for the entire day in appalling work conditions. Not those who wear it for attention and then go home and slip into their designer clothes with their designer watches.

I take my opposition dignified. The wearing of all black by the DA was a strong message. Probably missed by the less intelligent sadly...

Hell, the fact anyone can rightfully condemn Zuma but then think that Malema would be any different is beyond me! Do you not recall how he arrived at his court appearance with fully armed security?! And you somehow think it'll miraculously be different if he were leader?

Let's not bring intelligence into this discussion.

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He sounds pretty fcking intellectual to me compared to the anc scum


https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=cOuNpITcTWE
 
This chaos in pearly shows one thing,
Mandela turning in his grave,

Back in 94 if Mandela wasn't around, sa would be in a civil war or a military junta led government,

I think that this chaos is a sign of things to come,2016 elections will be interesting to watch,
 
The EFF Did Not Disrupt Parliament

13 February 2015, 21:00

There is now a common misconception that the EFF "disrupted" Parliament. that perception is badly flawed.

1. The EFF "interrupted" the speech of the President. Interruption is not disruption of anything.
2. The interruption was to seek a ruling from the Speaker that the President would be required to include in his speech a specific undertaking.
3. There was nothing, in itself wrong, with the EFF seeking a ruling from the Speaker. Rulings are sought all the time. The issue was not frivolous or vexatious. It was extremely important with thousands of citizens having an interest in the outcome. That is what Parliament is there for, i.e to deal with the interests of the citizens.
4. The Speaker was then constrained to accede to the request or deny it, i.e,
a) "I will allow the request to be put to the President"; OR
b) "I will not allow the request to be put to the President".
5. If she was disallowing the request, which she was, she needed to explain why when specifically asked to do so on any number of occasions.
6. The request was repeatedly made in terms of a specific Rule of Parliament, i.e Rule 14. It was either valid ... or invalid .. in terms thereof.
7. At no stage did either of the two (2) Speakers provide ANY reason as to why an application being made in terms of the Rules was being denied .... except to say "well, this is not the occasion for questions ... "
8. In the circumstances the EFF was entitled to insist that the Speakers act in terms of the Rules and cite the Rule(s) that supported the denial.
9. The reason for this is very, very important and fundamental. Julius Malema out his finger on it when he said "Madame Speker you cannot suspend the Rules Of Parliament."

10. Any decision that an adjudicator makes is required to be supported by stated or identifiable reason(s) if it is not to be ARBITRARY.
11. Arbitrary decisions by those who have power are the first enemy of Justice in all its components. It is what despots and tyrants do.
12. That is why Judges and Judicial Officers are required to always provide reasons for their decisions.
13. Parliament was then disrupted by the unconstitutional assaults and physical removal of Members of Parliament on the orders of the Speakers.Manhandling of human beings without consent is assault.

The above is the reality regardless on which side you may be on.
The Executive can never have a right to use ITS armed forces to assault MPs in Parliament.
This is a gross abrogation and repudiation of what is known as the Separation of Powers in a constitutional democracy.

And the President laughed ... and laughed ... laughed at the truly awful, obscene pantomime that had just played out in this great house of the people, in violation of our Constitution, starting with the capricious jamming of communication signal in breach of the right to freedom of association.
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I will support any party (including the EFF) to get rid of the stupid clown that is our president.
 
From what I could see, the EFF behaved within the rules of parliment. It degenerated because of the speaker acting as a toady and failing to stand up for parliment.
 
genetic said:
I will support any party (including the EFF) to get rid of the stupid clown that is our president.
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I don't mind watching the EFF at work, but I will never support them. Their platform is totally opposed to the ideals of good democracy and lawfulness, and they have previously made statements that are unfriendly and threatening to people of other races. They are also quite willing to break the law themselves despite all this current bleating about obeying the rules.
 
Garyvdh said:
I don't mind watching the EFF at work, but I will never support them. Their platform is totally opposed to the ideals of good democracy and lawfulness, and they have previously made statements that are unfriendly and threatening to people of other races. They are also quite willing to break the law themselves despite all this current bleating about obeying the rules.
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True.
 
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