SONA 2015

JStrike said:
It is the data point I care about. I care very little about service delivery (Although many people do)
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Pick one that the provincial government have full influence over, if that's what you want to use to judge said regime. Otherwise, you're saying that, for example, Mercedes is better than BMW because the roads have potholes.
 
surely a more cogent (albeit cherry picked) figure is the GDP per capita
in which case the allegation that KZN is overtaking is wholly untrue and all of the data I have seen has suggested that the GDP per capita of WC is fast approaching Gauteng levels

unless you have data to suggest that Gauteng GDP per capita since 2010 has shot up ...
 
Sinbad said:
Pick one that the provincial government have full influence over, if that's what you want to use to judge said regime. Otherwise, you're saying that, for example, Mercedes is better than BMW because the roads have potholes.
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Given potholes, I would expect a Range Rover to be better than a Hyundai.
Given national policy, I would expect DA policy and governance to result in higher GDP growth
 
JStrike said:
Given potholes, I would expect a Range Rover to be better than a Hyundai.
Given national policy, I would expect DA policy and governance to result in higher GDP growth
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At the moment, the hyundai is being driven, not the range rover
 
JStrike said:
Given potholes, I would expect a Range Rover to be better than a Hyundai.
Given national policy, I would expect DA policy and governance to result in higher GDP growth
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Don't worry. You'll never get it, because you don't want to get it.
 
Paul Hjul said:
surely a more cogent (albeit cherry picked) figure is the GDP per capita
in which case the allegation that KZN is overtaking is wholly untrue and all of the data I have seen has suggested that the GDP per capita of WC is fast approaching Gauteng levels

unless you have data to suggest that Gauteng GDP per capita since 2010 has shot up ...
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Very good point!
Last I saw GDP per capita growth was largely the same as well (And once again, given the rhetoric being thrown around, I would expect the WC to be a full 2 percentage points or so higher then GP).
Do you have any data to show the WC catching up on GP (As I mentioned last I saw GDP per capita growth was largely similar)?
 
ellyally said:
At the moment, the hyundai is being driven, not the range rover
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No. DA in WC is the Range Rover, ANC in Gauteng is the Hyundai.
Roads with potholes are the national policy they are both bound by
 
JStrike said:
Very good point!
Last I saw GDP per capita growth was largely the same as well (And once again, given the rhetoric being thrown around, I would expect the WC to be a full 2 percentage points or so higher then GP).
Do you have any data to show the WC catching up on GP (As I mentioned last I saw GDP per capita growth was largely similar)?
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Is the rhetoric about GDP growth being higher than GP? No? Then stop fixating on one thing. Governance isn't only about GDP growth.

JStrike said:
No. DA in WC is the Range Rover, ANC in Gauteng is the Hyundai.
Roads with potholes are the national policy they are both bound by
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Which is set by the ANC, not the DA. Provinces are also affected by national policy.

Which is why, as Sinbad said, you can only really judge them based on things they actually have full control over. You're being disingenuous.
 
JStrike said:
No. DA in WC is the Range Rover, ANC in Gauteng is the Hyundai.
Roads with potholes are the national policy they are both bound by
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Your flawed assumption is that the DA has the ability to override national policy in order to smooth out the potholes. They do not.
 
OrbitalDawn said:
Is the rhetoric about GDP growth being higher than GP? No? Then stop fixating on one thing. Governance isn't only about GDP growth.
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It is the thing I care about, and am talking about. Feel free to talk about service delivery or whatever you feel like talking about.
 
DA TO CHALLENGE USE OF POLICE IN PARLY

The DA will bring a court challenge against legislation allowing for the arrest or removal of people who create a disturbance in the National Assembly, it said on Wednesday.

The DA filed papers in the Western Cape High Court following last week's removal of Economic Freedom Fighters MPs from the National Assembly during the state-of-the-nation address, Democratic Alliance federal executive chairman James Selfe said.

The matter would be heard on March 5.

The DA also wanted an order preventing the Speaker from calling in police pending the outcome of its challenge to the constitutionality of section 11 of the Powers, Privileges, and Immunities of Parliament and Provincial Legislatures Act.

EFF MPs were removed by police and parliamentary protection officers after Speaker Baleka Mbete invoked section 11 of the act.

The section allows the Speaker to order the arrest or removal of any person who creates a disturbance during a sitting.

The DA wants the section removed from the act, saying it clashes with section 58 of the Constitution.

"That section of the Constitution guarantees Cabinet members, deputy ministers, and members of the National Assembly the immunity from civil or criminal proceedings, arrest, imprisonment, or damages for 'anything they have said in, produced before, or submitted to the Assembly or any one of its committees'," Selfe said.

He said that according to the Constitution no member of any security service may obey a manifestly illegal order.

Security services may also not prejudice a political party interest that was legitimate in terms of the Constitution.

The DA believed there was nothing wrong with raising points of order during President Jacob Zuma's state-of-the-nation address, and that Mbete acted unlawfully.

"They [EFF MPs] had not committed any crimes and therefore we contend that the police acted illegally and unconstitutionally. In doing that, the Speaker and the chairperson of the NCOP acted illegally in invoking section 11," James said.


Source : Sapa /cp/th/jk
Date : 18 Feb 2015 13:26
 
DA TO CHALLENGE USE OF POLICE IN PARLY

The DA will bring a court challenge against legislation allowing for the arrest or removal of people who create a disturbance in the National Assembly, it said on Wednesday.

The DA filed papers in the Western Cape High Court following last week's removal of Economic Freedom Fighters MPs from the National Assembly during the state-of-the-nation address, Democratic Alliance federal executive chairman James Selfe said.

The matter would be heard on March 5.

The DA also wanted an order preventing the Speaker from calling in police pending the outcome of its challenge to the constitutionality of section 11 of the Powers, Privileges, and Immunities of Parliament and Provincial Legislatures Act.

EFF MPs were removed by police and parliamentary protection officers after Speaker Baleka Mbete invoked section 11 of the act.

The section allows the Speaker to order the arrest or removal of any person who creates a disturbance during a sitting.

The DA wants the section removed from the act, saying it clashes with section 58 of the Constitution.

"That section of the Constitution guarantees Cabinet members, deputy ministers, and members of the National Assembly the immunity from civil or criminal proceedings, arrest, imprisonment, or damages for 'anything they have said in, produced before, or submitted to the Assembly or any one of its committees'," Selfe said.

He said that according to the Constitution no member of any security service may obey a manifestly illegal order.

Security services may also not prejudice a political party interest that was legitimate in terms of the Constitution.

The DA believed there was nothing wrong with raising points of order during President Jacob Zuma's state-of-the-nation address, and that Mbete acted unlawfully.

"They [EFF MPs] had not committed any crimes and therefore we contend that the police acted illegally and unconstitutionally. In doing that, the Speaker and the chairperson of the NCOP acted illegally in invoking section 11," James said.


Source : Sapa /cp/th/jk
Date : 18 Feb 2015 13:26
 
Sinbad said:
Your flawed assumption is that the DA has the ability to override national policy in order to smooth out the potholes. They do not.
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No, I am saying given potholes that both have to deal with, the DA has not done nearly as well as I would have hoped
 
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