'Sorry for injecting pupils with birth control'

ambroseg1 said:
You clearly haven't a clue what you are talking about in this instance. It is called "INFORMED" consent. And giving just consent, in an environment where others have authority over you, like a school where you are a kid/learner/pupil, is not valid and will never be regarded as informed consent. In such an instance, consent is ONLY valid when parents have been consulted. And no court or medical professionals association will ever see it that way (that kids gave consent in a school environment).

Kids do not make good decisions. That is why we don't let them vote until they are 18, drink until they are 18, enter into legally binding contracts until they are 18, drive until they are 18 etc etc etc.

I don't even have kids and this **** makes sense to me as it would any good parent.
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Informed consent is between a patient and the medical practitioner.

The learners were informed of what the whole procedure was about and the consequences,(hence -informed) by volunteering they gave their consent accordingly and the procedure was carried out under the guidelines of the Child Act of 2005, and thus within the law.
 
ambroseg1 said:
You clearly haven't a clue what you are talking about in this instance. It is called "INFORMED" consent. And giving just consent, in an environment where others have authority over you, like a school where you are a kid/learner/pupil, is not valid and will never be regarded as informed consent. In such an instance, consent is ONLY valid when parents have been consulted. And no court or medical professionals association will ever see it that way (that kids gave consent in a school environment).

Kids do not make good decisions. That is why we don't let them vote until they are 18, drink until they are 18, enter into legally binding contracts until they are 18, drive until they are 18 etc etc etc.

I don't even have kids and this **** makes sense to me as it would any good parent.
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You should read the laws posted by konfab. Parental consent isn't required when it comes to contraceptives or abortions.
 
Nanfeishen said:
Informed consent is between a patient and the medical practitioner.

The learners were informed of what the whole procedure was about and the consequences,(hence -informed) by volunteering they gave their consent accordingly and the procedure was carried out under the guidelines of the Child Act of 2005, and thus within the law.
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Does your doctor pop around and publicly give you informed consent in an environment where you are subject to the authority of others and are exposed to peer pressure? Didn't think so. It was not informed consent.
 
rietrot said:
You should read the laws posted by konfab. Parental consent isn't required when it comes to contraceptives or abortions.
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I did read the laws. Can you interpret those laws and apply them properly?
 
Nanfeishen said:
Is asking who would want it considered consent ? Is doing it voluntarily considered consenting to it ?


https://www.ofm.co.za/article/local...ses-for-injecting-learners-with-birth-control
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I didn't see that article. Thank you. In my mind, I imagined the girls being lined up and jabbed like when I was inoculated as a young child without any explanation of drug, it's side effects, etc. It seems that the media has kind of blown this out of proportion.

If a child is under 16 I think the parents / guardian should give consent from a birth control perspective. The legal age for consensual sex is 16 - so the child should be mature enough to consent to birth control at that age. Such consent should be in writing, in the child's home language, and not just verbal.

Don't think that's unreasonable at all. It's not a bad thing that the schools are taking a proactive approach.
 
Emjay said:
I didn't see that article. Thank you. In my mind, I imagined the girls being lined up and jabbed like when I was inoculated as a young child without any explanation of drug, it's side effects, etc. It seems that the media has kind of blown this out of proportion.

If a child is under 16 I think the parents / guardian should give consent from a birth control perspective. The legal age for consensual sex is 16 - so the child should be mature enough to consent to birth control at that age. Such consent should be in writing, in the child's home language, and not just verbal.

Don't think that's unreasonable at all. It's not a bad thing that the schools are taking a proactive approach.
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^ Ditto
I hope they advised them and gave them good advise then.
 
ambroseg1 said:
You have no issue with people injecting your kids with substances without your consent? Cool beans....please send kids this way. Always wondered what petrol does when injected intravenously.
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They injected kids with unknown substances?
 
Nanfeishen said:
Informed consent is between a patient and the medical practitioner.

The learners were informed of what the whole procedure was about and the consequences,(hence -informed) by volunteering they gave their consent accordingly and the procedure was carried out under the guidelines of the Child Act of 2005, and thus within the law.
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It would be interesting to find out what was explained to the kids. If these kids understand the side effects or if the kids' medical history was considered. In other words, it would like to read the kids' side of the story (maybe not possible).

Does anyone know frequency of teenage pregnancies at this school?
 
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ForceFate said:
It would be interesting to find out what was explained to the kids. If these kids understand the side effects or if the kids' medical history was considered. In other words, it would like to read the kids' side of the story (maybe not possible).

Does anyone know frequency of teenage pregnancies at this school?
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Not a single person in this thread knows that. Assumption yes, but educated assumption.
 
ForceFate said:
It would be interesting to find out what was explained to the kids. If these kids understand the side effects or if the kids' medical history was considered. In other words, the kids' side of the story.

Does anyone know frequency of teenage pregnancies at this school?
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It varies.... there was a school with 100% pregnancy rate and there are a few schools with 60% etc. Its not as common in more affluent schools.

Its a problem. I'm sure its a problem at this school.
 
supersunbird said:
The Dept of Health would not be saying sorry if they think they did right, so why they saying sorry? Because they did wrong.
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Politics and because it made the news. Now they have to apologise, because people got upset. It doesn't matter if it was right or wrong.
 
rietrot said:
Politics and because it made the news. Now they have to apologise, because people got upset. It doesn't matter if it was right or wrong.
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Yeah. Public outrage is a big thing these days. No choice but to say sorry even if you're not wrong.
 
Nerfherder said:
It varies.... there was a school with 100% pregnancy rate and there are a few schools with 60% etc. Its not as common in more affluent schools.

Its a problem. I'm sure its a problem at this school.
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I find it extremely hard and implausible to believe ANY school has a 100% pregnancy rate. May I call BS and ask for proof or a credible source?

Unless of course its a farm school with one female learner you are talking about?
 
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