'Sorry for injecting pupils with birth control'

rietrot said:
Which is BS. What right to dignity? This gets thrown around all the time and I don't even think people know what it means.
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Being treated like a human being and informed of what they are about to do, pretty straightforward.
 
Kosmik said:
Being treated like a human being and informed of what they are about to do, pretty straightforward.
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No "being treated like a human being" is vague BS. It means nothing. Go and read the news and see how humans treat each other.
 
rietrot said:
No "being treated like a human being" is vague BS. It means nothing. Go and read the news and see how humans treat each other.
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:crylaugh: as with the others advocating that all is well with this situation, I am sure you will have zero problems with your kids coming home today after school, informing you they were
1. given drugs without your consent (or theirs as they didn't protest)
2. mugged on the way home, as that is simply how all of us humans treat each other.
 
rietrot said:
Farm murders have vokol to do with the farmers dignity, neither does contraceptives.
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Don't backtrack because people are calling you on the BS you are spewing. You said dignity is how we treat each other according to the news. Farm murders and crime in general is all over the news. So that is the "dignity" YOU advocate.
 
Nerfherder said:
But its human nature to take and kill... so using your logic, farm murders are expected behaviour from humans ?
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You almost got it. Because it is human nature to take and kill you cannot assign a vague term like dignity, as treating someone else like a human. I don't know why you would want to make this specific to farm murder. That anology just doesn't work.
 
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rietrot said:
You almost got it. Because it it human nature to take and kill. You cannot assign a vague term like dignity, as treating someone else like a human. I don't know why you would want to make this specific to farm murder. That anology just doesn't work.
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Human Dignity Definition:
An individual or group's sense of self-respect and self-worth, physical and psychological integrity and empowerment.


You inject someone with birth control hormones , this has psychological as well as physiological effects on their body without permission nor informing them of these aspects, plus who knows how many side effects
This is indeed breach of their human Dignity.


And let me give you an example of what can happen a close friend who went on to a birth control pill (by choice) she ended up basically having serious internal bleeding they actually assumed it was cancer , and luckily one doctor looked at her list of medications and saw the the particular pill was on and this was a side effect.
Now imagine one of these girls end up in the similar situation - think they will even know to check?
 
konfab said:
I can see it now:
Male contraceptives are sexist because they remove control of reproduction from woman.

Male contraceptives will basically end the need for child support. Which means that it removes an avenue of wealth transfer. On that basis alone I bet it would be banned.
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No, actually not. It will be better for women because they will not have to take hormonal birth control. Despite what many people see as a safe and side effect free birth control method, there are really side effects (potential long term damage as well), and may women don't even know it.

https://www.hormonesbalance.com/articles/pill-can-seriously-affect-womans-health/

Pumping young girls with high levels of hormones is already questionable. Doing it without their informed consent is assault at the very least.
 
Emjay said:
Doing it without their informed consent is assault at the very least.
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Is asking who would want it considered consent ? Is doing it voluntarily considered consenting to it ?

The North West Health Department spokesperson, Tebogo Lekgethwane, says the incident in question took place in February 2018 during the province’s Pregnancy Awareness Week. He says area managers from the department, as well as practitioners from the local clinic, went to Pitso-Letlhogile Secondary School outside Ganyesa on a health promotion visit. It was at this visit that learners were asked if they were interested in receiving the birth control injection - 25 learners came forward. Lekgethwane says of the 25 only 23 were injected because it was revealed that one learner had already received birth control while the other was pregnant. This, however, did not sit well with parents who felt that they should have been thoroughly consulted beforehand, even though legally children from the age of 12 are allowed to give consent.
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https://www.ofm.co.za/article/local...ses-for-injecting-learners-with-birth-control
 
rietrot said:
Silly. Verbal consent from the girls is enough and if they didn't protest against it they did consent.
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rietrot said:
No it's not. Verbal agreements contracts are just as valid as written.
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First time I've ever heard that NOT saying something constitutes a verbal agreement :wtf:
smh The 'verbal' part indicates that there must be a verbal - i.e. spoken - agreement.
Simply not protesting is not a verbal agreement and may not indicate agreement at all.
 
So children over 12 can give consent. I wonder why schools bother with asking for parental consent for field trips? Hell I wonder why kids under 18 cannot legally enter into a contract?
 
C4Cat said:
First time I've ever heard that NOT saying something constitutes a verbal agreement :wtf:
smh The 'verbal' part indicates that there must be a verbal - i.e. spoken - agreement.
Simply not protesting is not a verbal agreement and may not indicate agreement at all.
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How do you see that playing out? Someone wants to inject you with contraceptive. You get a short explanation of what it is. You willing stand in the queue, pull down your pants so that they can stick a needle in your but. All without the thread of violence. Did you then consent or not?
 
rietrot said:
How do you see that playing out? Someone wants to inject you with contraceptive. You get a short explanation of what it is. You willing stand in the queue, pull down your pants so that they can stick a needle in your but. All without the thread of violence. Did you then consent or not?
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NO. If you are a kid at school where adults have authority over you, you DID NOT give consent. What are not finding hard to comprehend. Surely you have been a kid at some time in your life (your thought processes seem to indicate you still are one)?
 
ambroseg1 said:
NO. If you are a kid at school where adults have authority over you, you DID NOT give consent. What are not finding hard to comprehend. Surely you have been a kid at some time in your life (your thought processes seem to indicate you still are one)?
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When something has been explained to you, and you step forward voluntarily to undergo a treatment, you are acknowledging the fact that you understand the consequences and thus consent to the procedure.

As in the case here, which the original article clearly deemed to omit.
 
The incident‚ though it was carried out with good intentions by our sub-district‚ did not sit well with the parents and the affected learners.
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Well you know what does not sit well with anyone? Teenage school girls getting pregnant.

Take one of the team.
 
Nanfeishen said:
When something has been explained to you, and you step forward voluntarily to undergo a treatment, you are acknowledging the fact that you understand the consequences and thus consent to the procedure.

As in the case here, which the original article clearly deemed to omit.
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You clearly haven't a clue what you are talking about in this instance. It is called "INFORMED" consent. And giving just consent, in an environment where others have authority over you, like a school where you are a kid/learner/pupil, is not valid and will never be regarded as informed consent. In such an instance, consent is ONLY valid when parents have been consulted. And no court or medical professionals association will ever see it that way (that kids gave consent in a school environment).

Kids do not make good decisions. That is why we don't let them vote until they are 18, drink until they are 18, enter into legally binding contracts until they are 18, drive until they are 18 etc etc etc.

I don't even have kids and this **** makes sense to me as it would any good parent.
 
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