'South Korea will remove evolution from its high school textbooks'

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Evolution. Nothing to do with the big bang. Nothing to do with the beginning of life.
Eventually you have to realise you are just completely against science only when it suits you.
 
buyeye said:
I am pointing out to you good Sir that it is foolish to understand everthing about a fish that walked out of the sea without asking where the darn fish came from.
The fish is ofcourse figurative.
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Why do you suppose that knowledge is foolish?

Look, from what I've gathered from your last posts in this thread, you just don't understand evolution. Now don't be offended. As a person who actually does understand, it makes a lot of sense, and your arguments are the usual from people who ignorant of the subject. Just read up about it, from reputable sites, it won't harm you.

The only time you have the right to deny evolution is once you fully grasp it.
 
buyeye said:
I am pointing out to you good Sir that it is foolish to understand everthing about a fish that walked out of the sea without asking where the darn fish came from.
The fish is ofcourse figurative.
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Do you need to know how to machine code or how RISC programming works to know how to post to this forum?
 
Geriatrix said:
Do you need to know how to machine code or how RISC programming works to know how to post to this forum?
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No , but why does the search for knowlegde end at a specific point and any arguement past that point is met with complete disinterest in any further search for said knowlegde.
 
buyeye said:
No , but why does the search for knowlegde end at a specific point and any arguement past that point is met with complete disinterest in any further search for said knowlegde.
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If I point out that an orange is orange but you keep insisting to go beyond that and say its actually blue, doesn't make it correct.

If we know something is correct we know it as correct. ID isn't correct. I'm sorry, I know it sounds correct and evolution sounds ridiculous but for the sake of being a well read person read a book on it or something. I also used to be an evolution denier. All it took was a little reading and then studying for my biology final back in high school.
 
buyeye said:
No , but why does the search for knowlegde end at a specific point and any arguement past that point is met with complete disinterest in any further search for said knowlegde.
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Well, evolution does not directly relate with abiogenesis any more than pharmaceutical drug development does with quark theory. Yes it's related but the fields of knowledge connecting them is so vast and complicated it would make it near impossible to discuss properly, nevermind the fact that some rules that count on one level get changed at another. So pick one to discuss or prepare to be very confused. And no, your confusion is not proof of it being bull.
 
boramk said:
If I point out that an orange is orange but you keep insisting to go beyond that and say its actually blue, doesn't make it correct.

If we know something is correct we know it as correct. ID isn't correct. I'm sorry, I know it sounds correct and evolution sounds ridiculous but for the sake of being a well read person read a book on it or something. I also used to be an evolution denier. All it took was a little reading and then studying for my biology final back in high school.
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I'm 30 did science in high school and varsity.

I know oranges aren't blue I am asking you to show me the orange tree. No more sidestepping show me the darn tree.
 
boramk said:
Why do you suppose that knowledge is foolish?

Look, from what I've gathered from your last posts in this thread, you just don't understand evolution. Now don't be offended. As a person who actually does understand, it makes a lot of sense, and your arguments are the usual from people who ignorant of the subject. Just read up about it, from reputable sites, it won't harm you.

The only time you have the right to deny evolution is once you fully grasp it.
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Don't bother, honestly. I've seen it explained to him, Apache and various others at least 20 times, and they simply refuse to understand it.
 
buyeye said:
I'm 30 did science in high school and varsity.

I know oranges aren't blue I am asking you to show me the orange tree. No more sidestepping show me the darn tree.
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Don't care for your age or accomplishments. You don't understand evolution.

How about you stop sidestepping facts? If you don't like what the other person has to say have the decency to understand his argument.
 
boramk said:
Don't care for your age or accomplishments. You don't understand evolution.

How about you stop sidestepping facts? If you don't like what the other person has to say have the decency to understand his argument.
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Good Sir I will respectfully agree that science must be taught in schools but that doesn't mean that evolution has to be included.
 
buyeye said:
Good Sir I will respectfully agree that science must be taught in schools but that doesn't mean that evolution has to be included.
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Like how the Bible is all good except the Jesus part which should be left out?

You make no sense. If you wont understand it, don't come here brandishing ignorance as virtue.
 
I love how people deny evolution to exist but in the same time have no problem accepting the fruit thereof.

Medicine: From malaria medicine to vaccinations all results thanx to our knowledge of evolution.
Food: From corn to the simple sunflower and patato's, most of the food we find on farms are direct result from our knowledge of evolution and centuries of selective farming.
Pets and breeds: Your cat and dog are pets and do not behave like wild animals thanx to a direct result of evolution and our knowledge thereof.

And many more.
 
buyeye said:
Askies I was thinking about the big bang but we both know that they are interlinked.
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boramk said:
They're not interlinked? The Big Bang says nothing about evolution and vice versa.
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buyeye said:
In that case my original statement stands , your first living creature came from nothing?
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boramk said:
Abiogenesis. Still nothing to do with evolution.
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buyeye said:
Making up a name for something stupid doesn't make it true ,however fancy the name may be.
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buyeye seriously what is wrong with you?

Evolution doesn't make any claims about where any original life came from, only about how traits are passed from one generation to the next. That is all. Please stop this nonsense. Please. This altercation was painful to watch.
 
buyeye said:
No , but why does the search for knowlegde end at a specific point and any arguement past that point is met with complete disinterest in any further search for said knowlegde.
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What you are asking here is why aren't these evolutionary biologists also all cosmologists and astronomers so that they can string all these theories together to make one giant super theory about everything. Dumb dumb dumb.

Considering that there is only so much knowledge one human can acquire in his/her lifetime asking that we have scientists capable of understanding a giant super theory of everything is inefficient and stupid.


buyeye said:
I'm 30 did science in high school and varsity.

I know oranges aren't blue I am asking you to show me the orange tree. No more sidestepping show me the darn tree.
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What science in particular... computer science... doesn't count mate? If you did anything to do with evolution ask for your money back. If not then frankly it is irrelevant.

If you studied evolution at a tertiary level at a reputable institution and yet are still asking why the theory of evolution says something comes from nothing then you should be completely and utterly ashamed of yourself. There is no excuse there. A highschool student should be able to figure that one out.
 
Elimentals said:
I love how people deny evolution to exist but in the same time have no problem accepting the fruit thereof.

Medicine: From malaria medicine to vaccinations all results thanx to our knowledge of evolution.
Food: From corn to the simple sunflower and patato's, most of the food we find on farms are direct result from our knowledge of evolution and centuries of selective farming.
Pets and breeds: Your cat and dog are pets and do not behave like wild animals thanx to a direct result of evolution and our knowledge thereof.

And many more.
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Seriously ?

Experimentation , trial and error and selective breeding , all human endevours you are attributing to evolution ?

That on a par with " Its Gods Plan" :wtf:

porchrat said:
Evolution doesn't make any claims about where any original life came from, only about how traits are passed from one generation to the next. That is all. Please stop this nonsense. Please. This altercation was painful to watch.
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Inherited traits can remain inherited traits, if or when or if ever it results in speciation, only then do we have evolutionary change.
 
porchrat said:
buyeye seriously what is wrong with you?

Evolution doesn't make any claims about where any original life came from, only about how traits are passed from one generation to the next. That is all. Please stop this nonsense. Please. This altercation was painful to watch.
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My problem is evolution poses as a scientific theory when it isn't . It claims to explain how life evolved and to bring a better understing of how life forms developed but to a specific point that if you dare mention that specific point you almost get burned at the stake.

My point is we don't know as you said, I am humble enough to admit it. And end my arguement at this point.

I will humbley agree to disagree as none of my points were heard.
 
buyeye said:
My problem is evolution poses as a scientific theory when it isn't . It claims to explain how life evolved and to bring a better understing of how life forms developed but to a specific point that if you dare mention that specific point you almost get burned at the stake.
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Sure it's not a complete, 100% accuraterepresentation of reality. Newsflash, none of our sciences are. But scientists are systematically improving what they know about it. But you want to stop teaching that which we know because of it? What's next? Banning physics?
 
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