Geriatrix
Executive Member
So what do you want to know? How life evolved from said organism or how said organism came to be?
Anyhow, this talk is quite interesting;
http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/en/lee_cronin_making_matter_come_alive.html
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Question of the Day: Main reasons you wouldn't get an EV?
'South Korea will remove evolution from its high school textbooks'
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Anyhow, this talk is quite interesting;
http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/en/lee_cronin_making_matter_come_alive.html
porchrat
Honorary Master
I didn't see that in the quote you supplied. Please point it out professor.
Nicely done on showing off your ignorance again though.
You win on logic by claiming that the theory of evolution says we all came from nothing despite the fact that it claims no such thing...
... uh... What? I am blindly following because I can point out that something explains our observations and is falsifiable and therefore is a valid scientific theory?... Being blind means logically structuring an argument as opposed to just going "wahaha I win!!"? Dude stop embarrassing yourself.
Are you sure they let you into university... to study science? You know homeopathy isn't a science and homeopathy school isn't a university right?
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Geriatrix
Executive Member
Wow nice chart!While we on evolution I would like to add an interesting phylogeny I found. Might show off the problem in the argument of explaining "both sides" as people normally claim
Click to enlarge.
So in case of evolution what is the other side you are talking about?
Look, you have two different view points. The one is backed up by scientific theory and the one is a religious point of view. Present both sides to an individual, with the relevant fact. Quite often science and religion try to ram their PoV down a person's throat (like what you are doing here) and present it as fact. I am a firm believer in the theory of evolution (and there are significant gaps in the theory) but am also aware that other people may have a different view on the matter.
porchrat
Honorary Master
Not in science class. You want the superstition take a religion class. Don't you dare present literal Genesis creationism unscientific garbage in a science classroom.
Otherwise you better start presenting astrology, alchemy and homeopathy as alternatives to astronomy and chemistry in that science classroom. After all we need to present both sides of everything now so you better get to work on that project for alchemy on transmuting matter! That and don't forget having to present ALL the creation myths, not just the Christian one. There are a heck of a lot of them so good luck fitting them all into the syllabus.
Science in the science classroom only. Creationism gets taught along with all the other mythology (ancient Greek deities, Norse pantheon etc.) somewhere else.
Unless you are a private school in which case teach those kids whatever idiotic junk you want. Heck teach them that if they die in glorious battle they get to go to the great Feast Hall in the Sky. Just make sure you inform the parents as to exactly what garbage you are feeding the kids.
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Geriatrix
Executive Member
Biology class.
Teach what science can observe via experimentation, research and testing.
NOT what religion wants you to take on faith.
Or do you want to teach every one of the thousands of religious beliefs in science classes now too?
Yeah, it's strange...some people even think a person can form from a single cell in the space of a few months...
Preposterous
The truth is that as long as religion is around, you are always going to have differing points of view on this topic. So present the two points of view to students and let them make up their own minds. Obviously all of the facts need to be presented also. Science can also fall foul to popular opinion at times, noted scholars once believed that the Earth was the centre of the solar system after all.
Elimentals
Honorary Master
Well case in point the center of the universe/flat earth actually originated thanx to religion, hell they even enforced that view by inprisioning scientists that said otherwise.
porchrat
Honorary Master
SCIENCE class not RELIGION class.
Science class presents the SCIENTIFIC points of view and NOTHING else.
End. Of. Story.
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Mike Hoxbig
Honorary Master
Yes, but one is based on evidence, and the other is based on total hearsay.
These same 'noted scholars' placed Galileo under house arrest for challenging the view that the earth was at the centre of the solar system. But this is a different topic altogether.
The scientific method dictates that no scientific theory is ever gospel. It's only as good as the evidence and tests that support it. For this reason, I don't think that you will ever find a scientist who claims a theory to be 100% true.
Science by nature changes and shapes our understanding of the world over time. Religion can't lay claim to being as open-minded.
Yes, point noted, but at the time it was the most popularly held scientific opinion. The heliocentric viewpoint was "science" in Greek times, predating Christianity. It took some brave scientists to question this viewpoint, a viewpoint that was popular scientific belief after all. That is why I say teach kids both viewpoints and teach them to question things - be it religion or science.
porchrat
Honorary Master
Those were scientists questioning other scientists using evidence. Not religious nutjobs questioning scientists using superstition and strawman caricatures of evolution that involve the Big Bang. Stop comparing them as though baseless mythology can in any way be used to credibly attack science!
Creationism is not an alternate scientific explanation. It is mythology. It belongs in mythology classes along with Greek gods and the Tokoloshe, not in science classes.
Mike Hoxbig
Honorary Master
Which was endorsed by the church because it fit in with their understanding of the bible at the time. The moment you allow a religious institution power of scientific thought, you're just asking for trouble.
Geriatrix
Executive Member
Which religion?
But that's what I said .I wish I was as cool.
then I could make a coin apear from behind your ear and claim it just appeared there and it wasn't in my pocket.
porchrat
Honorary Master
There is no such thing as a religious theory.
Congratulations you are a scientist and the exact opposite of a religious nutjob.
Careful there. Some people may interpret this as creation per se as being false since a myth is often an untrue story or a half truth. Creation is understood to be "bringing something into existence from nothing". Empirical science cannot determine whether something is created or not, this of course does not imply that creation is false or a myth, it just means that it is a logical, philosophical and metaphysical issue and not an empirical one.
I often wonder what other Christians (and other religious people believing in creation) think when they believe they were created in the image of God. What goes through their minds, when do they think this happened, do they think that once they are created that they just have some sort of "existential inertia" or do they think God (once he created them) keeps then in existence (or prevents them from lapsing into nothingness) whenever they exist as a human person?
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porchrat
Honorary Master
I meant of course literal YEC Genesis style creationism and yes I mean it is a myth just like the Greek gods, the Norse pantheon, the Tokoloshe, Jesus and all the other religious figures. If it makes people uncomfortable to have their particular beliefs compared to other mythological entities then frankly that is their problem not mine because I see no reason why the religious beliefs of the day are any more or less valid than those mythological entities that came before.