Special courts for e-toll non-payers discussed

sure .. thats a much better way to spend our tax money ... its not like we have a crime problem or overcrowded prisons due to prisoners awaiting trial because of a lack of courts!!
I would like some of the awaiting trial prisoners to take the state to court for this
 
Another one of those "viral" pics contents against e-toll

Email Just In - Gauteng Salute Send this on to everyone you know in SA to 'hopefully' stand together on this one. Remember, postal summonses are not legal documents and you need not react to them. - Henk Bolhuis [Ex-Deputy Chief Traffic Officer of Pretoria] - TAX - I think, and I am sure that many of you are the same, that the tolls are a disgrace, both the extortionate toll fees themselves and also the widely published fact that we are expected to pay up to R18 BILLION over the next 10 years just to collect the toll fees. I wanted to share the clarity of thought in this mail and agree that I will not be installing anything on my car. They are not going to have easy access to my bank account, they say they want a debit order - forget it. Send me a bill (by registered mail) every time - and I will pay it just as fast as I pay the speeding fines that arrive by normal post (which I also ignore). Together we can make this whole thing fail - as it should. Let the toll gates stay there, not working, as monuments to people power. Let's call this the start of the SA Awakening, look what the normal people are achieving in North Africa with the Arab Awakening. I hope this goes around at least a billion times. Taxes and Open Road Toll Fees People should not install the transponders but still use the highways and force the government to issue accounts and summonses to all motorists until such time they drop the prices. The government will be forced to send out millions of accounts every month and they don't have the manpower to do it. This is the best and easiest way to boycott the system. What is the government going to do about motorists from other neighboring countries that don't have these transponders? South Africans are too complacent and its time we fight back. WE have paid for these roads. Now they are also proposing a 1% tax to fund the SABC Circulate this to all your friends!!!!!!!! Has anyone thought just how much tax we are already paying? a. 35% on your salary b. 14% on everything you buy (bar fresh produce) and services rendered. c. Carbon tax if you buy a new car (besides the 14% VAT you have to pay) d. Tax on the fuel you put in your car to run it. e. Toll on our roads – and for some it is going to come to a whopper of 10% of your salary (If you earn R10 000.00 a R1 000 would go toward tolling if you migrate between PTA and JHB every day.) Bully to try and pacify me with the idea that I can claim it back from my income tax!!! I have to fork out the money first. Going on holiday to DBN? Remember to save up your R1000.00 for tolling. To say the least - For every R10.00 you earn, the government is already taking approx R6.00 and still they want more. Are you happy with the R4.00 you are getting? NICE!!!!! When are we going to get up and do something about it? Where is all the money going to? It is definitely not being spent on what it should be - our hospitals are in a state of disrepair, our schools in shambles, our roads full of potholes, our water contaminated, sewers not working, left in the dark because Eskom failed to do their upgrades, the poor are poorer still, municipalities on the brink of collapse, and so the list goes on. Heard about the youth day celebration that cost R100 million? Mmmm... did you pay for it? Oh yes sir/madam you did! R100 million that could have paid for a couple of things our country needed more. And to put the numbers in perspective: The next time you hear an SA politician use the word 'billion'in a casual manner, think about whether you wanted the 'politicians' spending YOUR tax money. A billion is a difficult number to comprehend, but one advertising agency did a good job of putting that figure into some perspective in one of its press releases: A. A billion seconds ago it was 1959. B.. A billion minutes ago Jesus was born in Bethlehem. C. A billion Rand ago was only 27 hours and 12 minutes at the rate our SA government is squandering it (over a billion rand a day??!!) Building Permit Tax Cigarette Tax Corporation Tax Income Tax Value Added Tax Fishing License Tax Food License Tax Fuel License Tax Petrol/Diesel Tax Hunting License Tax Luxury Tax Property Tax Service charge taxes Capital gains Tax Social Security Tax Securities Transfer Tax Road Usage Tax Local Tax Vehicle License Registration Tax Vehicle Sales Tax Worker's Compensation Tax STILL THINK THIS IS FUNNY? Hardly any of these taxes existed 20 years ago... And our nation was one of the most prosperous in Africa. We had absolutely no national debt... What happened ? ANSWER : Look at the Government.....and who is 'running' the country.... INTO THE GROUND - on YOUR and MY 'billions'!!! We hope this goes around at least a billion times.
 
This will be rejected as unconstitutional, you can't have just one branch of courts to deal with one specific segment of the population.

9. Equality
Everyone is equal before the law and has the right to equal protection and benefit of the law.
 
This will be rejected as unconstitutional, you can't have just one branch of courts to deal with one specific segment of the population.

Didnt they have special courts for the world cup?
 
Didnt they have special courts for the world cup?

Yes, but they were temporary, staffed by normal Judicial personnel and were extensions of the normal courts on behalf of the government dealing with all kinds of crime.

What SANRAL is asking for is permanent, staffed by newly trained people, and are appointed to service the needs of a private company dealing with only one specific type of crime.

The first person who is convicted in such a court can just argue that such a court has no jurisdiction over him as it bypasses the normal courts of the land.
He will launch a separate appeal in the normal courts to have any such judgement set aside as unconstitutional because it unfairly prejudices his right to representation in a normal court of the law.
 
At this point you should probably realise that there is not a hope in hell of this happening and this is just more scare tactics from SANRAL to force people to go out and buy e-tags.
 
Although I don't really give a **** about e-Tolling, I'd like to see them prosecute 1m+ motorists when they refuse to pay. It's gonna be a circus.
 
This will be rejected as unconstitutional, you can't have just one branch of courts to deal with one specific segment of the population.

We have tax courts, labour courts, electoral courts, military courts, and sexual offenses courts.
 
Yes, but they were temporary, staffed by normal Judicial personnel and were extensions of the normal courts on behalf of the government dealing with all kinds of crime.

Ok, I see the difference.

What SANRAL is asking for is permanent, staffed by newly trained people, and are appointed to service the needs of a private company dealing with only one specific type of crime.

Pay with tax payers money I'm sure... But I'm sure if it's considered unconstitutional to have a court that targets one small part of the law? (Small claims court and constitutional court come to mind)

Edit: add cr@zydude's list to the list.
 
We have tax courts, labour courts, electoral courts, military courts, and sexual offenses courts.

Yes, and they all are available to the entire national population and staffed by qualified Judicial personnel who work for the department of Justice.

What SANRAL wants is Gauteng Courts staffed by their own trained personnel.

Trust me... this is not so much a real idea as just a scare tactic.
 
It would be done electronically, he said.
Good luck with that.
  • there is no legal framework for delivering summons electronically
  • only a small percent of drivers have e-mail
  • smtp is too loose a protocol to prove delivery

PS. Reminder to self - don't give SANRAL e-mail address ([email protected] will also work)
 
When did you ever hear of a special court being set up to service only one private company?
The idea is completely ludicrous and will face extremely severe legal challenges.
 
Yeah I can't see how special courst for specific offenses is unconstitutional.
 
When did you ever hear of a special court being set up to service only one private company?
The idea is completely ludicrous and will face extremely severe legal challenges.

They sure are pulling out all the stops on this one. Now if they could just deal with all the other crime in the country with the same amount of gusto.
 
Well this is interesting, Sanral obviously expects many summons, which contradicts all their other statements about how many motorists already applied for e-tags...
 
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