Speeding on public roads

I am Penguin said:
Sorry have t0 dissagree some. Accidents at a speed of 120 is just at lethal and that is within the speed limit. So a blow out at 120 or 140 would both be serious, the onemaybe a bit more than the other.

We have to define "speeding"! If anyone says going over the speed limit is irresponsible "speeding" then they have to look at their own judgement again. Yeah traveling 140 - 250 is just crazy on SA roads and may be called reckless as per law but doing 125 - 140 when traffic conditions allow is another thing all together. On the autobahn I traveled in exess of 180, is that now suddely responsible driving because the law say its OK..? NO! Depends on many factors as already mentioned. .

Thus it's not just the speed, its the driver, the speed, the conditions and the drivers attitude combined.

So no blue, the old (fat) auntey driving 90 on the highway in the "wrong" lane is not a safe or responsible driver at all. Driving 90 in the fast lane of a 120 zone is more irresponsible and dangerous as it frustrates others and at the same time force them to pass on the left in slower lanes
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I did say earlier in the thread that driving too slowly is dangerous.
 
BlueCollar said:
Not sure how. If a concrete wall was 56m away, the Enzo would have gone into the wall, no?
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Now you really are missing the point. Had the Enzo been doing 110km/h and the Corolla 90km/h and the wall had been 55m away the Corolla would have hit it even though the Ferrari was going much faster.
 
supersunbird said:
Don't bother, let me do it...

120km/h = 33.33m per second = 66.66m for those 2 seconds

90km/h = 25m per second = 50m for those 2 seconds

A whole 16m distance differensial and that doesn't include stopping distance and 2 second is quite fast...
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Its actually 0.4-0.5 seconds. If you take 2 seconds to react you must be onto your second case of Castle by not :p
 
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100-0 km/h: 34.1 m 200-0 km/h: 133.9 m ...

the stats of a lambo Lp560.... so ya, there is a huge difference in braking distance, due to how much distance your covering a second at 200km/h

your face must literally come off... going 100 - 0 in 34.1m gees.

but ya, when i see.. *****i golfs on like an m3's ass.. all i think is braking distance.. if yours is 1 metre further.. your ganna crash.
 
timgaul said:
Now you really are missing the point. Had the Enzo been doing 110km/h and the Corolla 90km/h and the wall had been 55m away the Corolla would have hit it even though the Ferrari was going much faster.
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You said: "A Ferrari Enzo stopping distance from 120 km/h is 59.7m. A Toyota Corolla travelling at 90 km/h has a stopping distance of 55.8m. The Enzo will stop with a deceleration of almost 1G but a Corolla is only 0.6G."

So what's your point? Both cars would have hit the wall if the wall was 55m away. The Ferrari, if NOT speeding, however, would NOT have hit the wall. That's exactly my point.
 
news24 said:
How much control do you have over a car that is running at 140,150,160 km/h? How will you be able to handle a tire rupture for instance?
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1) Depends on the car
2) Again a blowout at 120 would be just as severe.
3) Its more the state of the SA roads and driver attitudes that creates the safety problems, not the actual speed in itself.
 
BlueCollar said:
You said: "A Ferrari Enzo stopping distance from 120 km/h is 59.7m. A Toyota Corolla travelling at 90 km/h has a stopping distance of 55.8m. The Enzo will stop with a deceleration of almost 1G but a Corolla is only 0.6G."

So what's your point? Both cars would have hit the wall if the wall was 55m away. The Ferrari, if NOT speeding, however, would NOT have hit the wall. That's exactly my point.
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Why is the Ferrari "speeding" at 120 km/hr?
 
A blow out isn't as severe on some cars (rear wheel/front wheel driver and which wheels drive the car) ; my step father had a blow out on an Audi at quite a high speed and never really felt it.
 
Dolby said:
A blow out isn't as severe on some cars (rear wheel/front wheel driver and which wheels drive the car) ; my step father had a blow out on an Audi at quite a high speed and never really felt it.
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Exactly, thus if some "Old Toppie" drive an old 19voertsek overweight mercedes at or on the speed limit and get a blowout the same would probably not be possible.

So to argue the speed limit as the defacto danger point is just simply wrong!
 
I am Penguin said:
Exactly, thus if some "Old Toppie" drive an old 19voertsek overweight mercedes at or on the speed limit and get a blowout the same would probably not be possible.

So to argue the speed limit as the defacto danger point is just simply wrong!
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*sigh* Did anyone in this thread EVER say that speeding was the ONLY cause of accidents?
 
BlueCollar said:
You said: "A Ferrari Enzo stopping distance from 120 km/h is 59.7m. A Toyota Corolla travelling at 90 km/h has a stopping distance of 55.8m. The Enzo will stop with a deceleration of almost 1G but a Corolla is only 0.6G."

So what's your point? Both cars would have hit the wall if the wall was 55m away. The Ferrari, if NOT speeding, however, would NOT have hit the wall. That's exactly my point.
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Yes, but I said had it now been doing 110 km/h (i.e. 20 km/h faster than the Corolla at 90 km/h) it would have not hit the wall, but the Corolla would have, despite traveling much faster and speeding (in a theoretical 90 km/h zone). So the make of car most definitely determines how quickly it can stop, thats what I'm attempting to prove.
 
On some roads where it is open I do 180+ km/h : http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Emb4ltzab8

Actually I just go flat out and my cars terminal speed is 191km/h. BUT - this is only when there are no other cars arround and I have to accept that if a tire goes or something goes wrong then I only have my self to blame. Guess it will be just as bad at 120km/h but in the end you have to take responsibility for your actions.

I also get very p1ssed off when I see people with missing numberplates. If you want to speed, fine, just pay the fine! I do - when I get caught :p
 
timgaul said:
Its actually 0.4-0.5 seconds. If you take 2 seconds to react you must be onto your second case of Castle by not :p
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So you realise you need to break and then move your foot from pressing down on the accelerator to the brake pedal and then press down all in 0.4-0.5 seconds? Whatever Flash...
 
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supersunbird said:
So you realise you need to break and then move your foot from pressing down on the accelerator to the brake pedal and then press down all in 0.4-0.5 seconds? Whatever Flash...
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Just count: 1 Mississippi, 2 Mississippi and you'll realise how long it actually is. These are recorded and studied times:

http://everything2.com/index.pl?node_id=1711951

Peter Sober 0.622 32.3
Drunk 0.857 41.1

Aisling Sober 0.658 34.1
Drunk 0.908 45.2

Lucinda Sober 0.593 28.1
Drunk 0.897 42.3

Shauna Sober 0.562 27.2
Drunk 0.757 36.0
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So .5s-.6s is completely feasible.
 
G5GTI05 said:
Do yourself a favour, drive to Nelpspruit at white river with those awesome bending and flowing roads...
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Schoemanskloof.

The best piece of driving in SA that I have come across so far in my driving adventures.
 
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