Sport SUV Struggle

[Neuk_]

How many km's did you get on them?

When you buy a new Porsche they come with N-rated tires. Some special rating for all porches. Utter BS if you ask me. Kept buying tires from the Porsche dealership till the warrantee and motor plan ran out. There after I fitted a set at tiger wheel on my old Cayenne. The new one still has N-rated tires on.

I'm sure they would use the tires on your Porsche as a reason for some fault if they are not N-rated. They even informed me with every service that my last set on my old Cayenne was not N-rated. I just said yes and?

I bought the car second hand so I have no idea what the total mileage is on them but I have only done 20k km's since I got the car in September 2019 Porsche SA is full of **** at the best of times, your old Cayenne was also essentially a Touareg, a bit more Porsche in it than Audi in the Q7 but it uses the same platform. I know insurance tries to pull the same stunt with tyre speed ratings but I doubt the speed rating would impact the claim much if I had an accident at 250km/h. I generally err on the side of caution though when it comes to tyres and get the best I can with suitable ratings, both load and speed.

Edit: I’ve done 20k and not 10k since getting my Touareg in 2019.

 

[Neuk_]

Yeah some guy trying import and fit it themself etc, they dont seem to last

Then also compressor that seems like to fail also at about sametime.

I need go fix my boot lock(randomly failed 2 weeks after accident) and my parking sensors and cameras does not engage just makes some peeps and goes off, hopefully wont be too much

Yeah, forgot you are in the same WhatsApp group Did your Touareg go to a panel beater after the accident?

 

[capd]

It's basically a Touareg and he bought it with the most reliable engine so unless it is a dud he should be fine with regular care and maintenance. Sure, parts can be expensive, Pagid brake discs and pads all round are now over R10k from Goldwagen for example. I can't remember if @capd went for one with air, they can be an issue in high mileage cars and are expensive to replace.

No air, which I would have liked for the extra comfort, one of the only extras she does not have. The 21”s do ride fairly hard, even with the higher profile tyres. Still very comfortable and ‘floaty’ though.

I did my research into air suspension and after weighing up everything it seemed much like good old ‘turbo fear’ where one only hears the bad stories and dealership costs to fix…

But hopefully better on steel in the long run. Would not want to be caught in the bundu with a popped bag or failed compressor.

 

[capd]

Sooo… Still no tyres, and feeling super bleak. Sore fee-fee story time!

Arrived for fitment only to find that there was a chunk out of the side wall on one of them. Gutted.

Not knowing much about tyres, how could I trust them with my and my family’s lives? What about insurance? Let alone passing the roadworthy, which I still need to do.

But perfect otherwise. And there is a replacement Goodyear Eagle F1 SUV on offer. But then I have a different tyre and tread – not good for quattro/AWDs. And it doesn’t match which would irk me.

To rub salt in the wounds… No locknut key in the toolkit to be found. Midas can’t help. So over the mountain to VW and thankfully they removed the locknuts at no charge. Now we have four nuts for each wheel… Will see if I can buy the key. Recall buying one before.

Also popped in at Dekra, and there’s no chance the bad tyre will pass.

Since I paid a R4k cash deposit on the tyres (never again!), I had to have a man to man with the dealer. He’s not prepared to take up the issue with his supplier. I told him his supplier should have been upfront about the issue.

But for now I’m walking away and he will pay me back. He’s offered to repair the sidewall, so we shall see the outcome on Monday.

Tough decision as the tyres are excellent, but you can’t put a price on safety.

What do you all think? Chance the repair? Go with the Goodyear replacement and at least I have decent, safe and reliable tyres for a few years while saving R15k?

 

[chickenbeef]

I wouldn't repair sidewall damage.

There are 5 tires in that pic so I assume 1 is a spare? Get the Goodyear replacement as the spare.

 

[Dead693]

Looks like the second tire is the good year. I wouldn’t chance it with side wall damage. It would probably have a bulge on the other side when on a rim and correct pressure anyway.

 

[flytek]

Or get Maxtrek Fortis T5's at around 2.5k each.
I'm super happy with mine on an SQ5.
They have done 30kkm and will probably do another 30k still.

 

[SauRoNZA]

REPAIR the sidewall?

Not a ****.

 

[capd]

Thanks all. Apparently they can be reliably repaired with the correct equipment, but my gut says no.

Last option then is to take the Goodyear and settle at the R4k deposit I paid.

Three Conti’s and one Goodyear.

What do you think? And if happy, would you put the Goodyear on the rear?

The Goodyear seems less tall than the Conti’s. Perhaps the summer vs all season design? I will post another pic below, only other one I have.

Otherwise I have no choice but to fork out R10k for Maxtrek or Sailuns, or R20k for Goodyears.

 

[ubercal]

Thanks all. Apparently they can be reliably repaired with the correct equipment, but my gut says no.

Last option then is to take the Goodyear and settle at the R4k deposit I paid.

Three Conti’s and one Goodyear.

What do you think? And if happy, would you put the Goodyear on the rear?

The Goodyear seems less tall than the Conti’s. Perhaps the summer vs all season design? I will post another pic below, only other one I have.

Otherwise I have no choice but to fork out R10k for Maxtrek or Sailuns, or R20k for Goodyears.

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you own like 4/5 high value cars but are mucking around with 2nd hand tyres ... sorry my brain doesnt compute this.

 

[Gtx Gaming]

with AWD you got to stick to same tyres, otherwise you get annoying wobble at high speeds, had that before with dead spots on tyres as well

 

[capd]

you own like 4/5 high value cars but are mucking around with 2nd hand tyres ... sorry my brain doesnt compute this.

True, this is the first time I’m looking at used tyres because logically I can’t see a problem with them if they’re in good condition with even tread ware. R20k which I can afford is a lot to spend on basically an occasional car which will mostly be used for long distance trips and soft-roading, without much high speed at all. Always keen for a deal and saving where possible. And as you can see in the pics, the tyres are very good. Bar the sidewall of the one.

 

[capd]

with AWD you got to stick to same tyres, otherwise you get annoying wobble at high speeds, had that before with dead spots on tyres as well

Yip. Though I did have new Michelin PS4’s on the front of the V8 with old Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric 2’s on the back for a long time, and it worked well with no wobble.

So if I don’t go for the one Goodyear, I could consider buying two new matching Conti’s for the front, and putting the best of the three used ones on the back. And then have one as a spare.

Thoughts everyone?

Come to think of it two new Conti’s would cost me R11k, and I can get the Goodyears for R4.2k each. May as well pay in the difference for a full set of Goodyears then. And they’re my preferred brand too.

 

[Harmonic]

I'm in the market for a sport SUV, and after a year of researching, I'm struggling to reach the finalists. It seems to come down to a heart vs head decision – some are fast and less practical, and others are slower and more capable. Things like depreciation and resale are also important to me.

I've narrowed my list down the the below, but am open to other options. My requirements are fast (sub 6-seconds at least), with some light off-road capabilities.

Audi SQ5 8R BiTDI V6 (2013 - 2016/17) – Very fast but not so practical with mostly 20" 45-profile tyres. Very expensive still, they seem to be holding their value well. Outdated cockpit but B&O and Bluetooth phone connection present in most. ZF 'box. This has been my main focus so forms a benchmark of comparison. R500k for a good one with +-100,000km.

Audi SQ5 80A 3.0T V6 (2017-) – Very fast but not so sure of practicality with wheels probably in line with the above. Far more modern exterior and interior. Bigger screens, digital instrument cluster, etc. Not that I need this or am a huge fan. Letdown looks-wise are the quad pipes which have been adapted into the rear bumper/diffuser. Price close to that of the above, older BiTDI. R650k for a good one.

Audi Q7 4L 3.0 TDI V6 or 4.2 TDI V8 (2012 - 2015 (exterior & interior facelift)) – Slower but far more practicality. Could do software for a performance improvement. Very outdated interior, but quality. 7-seater. Bose audio common. Air or spring suspension. Seen most of their depreciation. R250,000 for a good one.

Audi Q7 4M 3.0 TDI V6 (2015-) – A lot more modern throughout with strong depreciation already to close to the SQ5 BiTDI mark. Slower but could do software. Practical. Not easy to find S line. R600k for a good one.

VW Touareg 7P (2012 - 2014) (pre-facelift) or facelift (2015 - 2017) – Slower but could do software. More modern interior than the SQ5 BiTDI and Q7 4M. Very comfortable, quality interior. 5-seater. Air or steel suspension. Very capable off-road. R-Line common. Hard to find ones with Dynaudio.

My last options including bakkies, but don't think I'll go here due to the high price of bakkies in SA. Also don't want to focus this thread too much here:

Ford Everest 2.0 TDI/BiTDI / 2.2 / Sport / XLT – Could look at demo, a lot of car for the money, but horrendous interior quality.

Ford Ranger Wildtrak – Much the same as above.

Land Rover Discovery 4 – Not done too much research but they seem solid with quality interiors, not fast at all, 5- and 7-seater options.

Toyota Hilux – Not researched much.

VW Amarok – Love these but the 3.0 TDI V6 is scarce and expensive second-hand.

What would you do?

Probably too late to the party but recently bought one of these and I am solidly in love. It's a far cry from the 2017 M6 CS I had but way more satisfying oddly enough

 

[capd]

Probably too late to the party but recently bought one of these and I am solidly in love. It's a far cry from the 2017 M6 CS I had but way more satisfying oddly enough

Lovely. Quite a change that! There is something satisfying about being in a big, high-up and nippy vehicle. Yours also the 180kW with 8-speed Tiptronic (ZF)?

 

[W@P]

Probably too late to the party but recently bought one of these and I am solidly in love. It's a far cry from the 2017 M6 CS I had but way more satisfying oddly enough

I have a V6 Amarok as well. Brilliant bakkies. If you wanna go, you go. Pricing on them is just ridiculous atm. Even now with the new one coming I shudder to think what they will cost.

Regarding the Sports SUV. I had a 2013 Cayenne S diesel. The v8. Absolutely loved that car. Would have kept it forever. Did about 140k km on it. Circumstances changed and I flogged it for a newer Cayenne S diesel. 2016 model with 45k km on it. That V8 diesel is an absolute gem of an engine.

Hope to get another 100k km trouble-free with this one.

Regarding the new Touaregs. I have a soft spot for them. They are real value for money I think. Also a lovely engine.

 

[Neuk_]

No air, which I would have liked for the extra comfort, one of the only extras she does not have. The 21”s do ride fairly hard, even with the higher profile tyres. Still very comfortable and ‘floaty’ though.

I did my research into air suspension and after weighing up everything it seemed much like good old ‘turbo fear’ where one only hears the bad stories and dealership costs to fix…

But hopefully better on steel in the long run. Would not want to be caught in the bundu with a popped bag or failed compressor.

It was just the cost and potential headache of something going wrong with air that put me off, I am generally risk averse and my Touareg is our main family car so I went for the ‘safer’ option.

As for those used tyres, with that sidewall damage, they are a hard no from me no matter the claims that they can be repaired. You don’t have to spend to buy the best rated tyre on the market but damaged ones is not a great idea at all.

Have you looked at brands like Hankook? I have Hankook Ventus S1 EVO2 SUV’s which have been pretty decent.

 

[Tman*]

I definitely won't ever skimp on cheap tyres, and firmly believe in quality ones as they are our connection to the road!

But after getting the Q7 (my 4th car and also German) and seeing I needed to replace the whole set, with tyres at +-R6k each for good ones, I see no problem in trying used quality tyres since I've found a trustworthy supplier. With 80% tread remaining, it's a no-brainer to me that they're worth a try.

This post didnt age well.

You skimped on cheap 2nd hand tyres and got exactly what you paid for.

Suck it up and go buy a good quality set of new tyres to match a fine German car.

 

[W@P]

I had a set of Michelin Pilot Sport 4 SUV tires on my old Cayenne. They were brilliant.

 

[airborne]

'Ultra High Performance All Season'.

Hopefully they're OK! Don't mind if they're not as good as the current Goodyear Eagle F1 SUVs, which have about 1 - 2mm tread but which is really cut up.

Just glad to have more rubber on the road, and being Contis they should be fine. Will report back after they're fitted later.

Oh, added bonus if they provide better grip off-road than the Goodyears.

Hybrid winter tyres are also called all season tyres, they are fine except generally very bad in the wet relative to summer tyres, if you take it easy in the wet it should be fine though. The reviews of them seem to be fairly good though so maybe that particular model is decent. They may wear faster than normal tyres though due to the softer compound to handle winter temps.