Spur Incident

You claimed bullying starts at home, inferring that she teaches her child how to bully other kids at home. There is no evidence backing up your inference, but there is evidence backing up his abusive nature. I'm going to act dense and say I cannot.......

Goodness. From your posts I can swear you were at the Spur DURING this incident and experienced everything first hand. Just freaking LOL.

"ACT DENSE". Really you posts shows the opposite.

Lack of dicipline and teaching kids respect are what causes these incidents. We see it daily reading about farm attacks and torture/murder of
"robbery" victims. This is where it starts...AT HOME. Believe it or not.
 
Go and search for what? Things you claim that I only hear on this forum now for the first time?

Here are the facts. The eye witnesses don't claim anything different than what's shown on the footage, they only provide what can't be shown. He didn't threaten her kid or told his kid to hit hers. Neither does she make that claim. I haven't seen her claiming his kid hit hers first. These are all just "facts" you are making up here. So where is this different version you claim she's claiming and that the employees are backing up? It doesn't exist.

Also I watched the footage, first the phone and now the 50 second cctv footage without sound. There's a lot of context missing so I'm going with what witnesses are claiming and what she isn't denying. To me it doesn't look as aggressive as you claim it to be.

Apparently she also told her kid afterwards that it's not ok to hit others. What escalated the situation is her not taking ownership of that there.

He went over calm to her table to deal with it, she told him to f*** off... was posted before.

http://krugersdorpnews.co.za/322184/spur-incident-an-eye-witness-account-of-what-really-happened/
 
Huh?
I think you missed my point. My point is that it is difficult to identify the bully from the video, but I would guess it is the kid having the brick thrown at him.

Either way, both those kids need to learn not to resort to violence. Both the bully and the kid reacting to the bully (If they are indeed separate people).

It is exactly this sort of situation that is unacceptable. Kids like this grow up into the Spur guy.

You are actually wrong. The white kid stopped the bully several times from bullying other children, the bully picked up several bricks which the other kid try to take from him so he could not hurt others but then got a brick in the face. It happened about 2 weeks ago in the WC. The bully can be lucky the kid didn't respond as I believe he is quite good at karate at school. Ah well bully has been expelled, stupid kid!

The video actually makes it clear that although the man did put his hands on the child, the woman used a lot more force to grab the child back. Not advocating his innocence or anything, he still was in the wrong 100% but she was way more aggressive in her handling of the child.

Agreed, she were more aggressive towards her god child than he was!

That looked more like a mother protecting her child to me.

So let's get this straight, grown man tugs another person's child by the arm. This person reacts.. she's wrong?

K

God child from my understanding!
 
South African media is very irresponsible, and they know exactly what they`re doing, Putting profit before everything else, stories like this make it big because of initial outrage, and then outrage over the outrage. snowballing like a famous for being famous celebrity. But I guess that`s the price you pay for free media. They act like a big internet troll... if you are upset about how famous this video became, stop contributing to threads like these, and don`t click on links to the story.
 
How it should've gone.
Guy: Hi your child hit my child!
Lady: I'm sorry are they okay? I'll deal with it, maybe not right now but I will I promise, sorry again.
Guy: Oh okay uhm she's okay thanks. Bye

Why cause that's the sane response and what has played out once when my son was smacked, not sure if it was by accident or not or even if the lady followed through but I left.
 
Instead it went like this:

Guy: Hi your child hit my child!
Lady: Awe, voetsek I'm eating my Spur Burger!
Guy: Excuse me, please listen and talk to your child, this is a serious issue!
Lady: Omnomnomnomnomnom!
Guy: Ok, come here child, let me take you to my kid to apoligise. (*takes kid by the arm*)
Lady: Why are you grabbing my child, give it back!!! (*grabs kid by arm*)
Guy: Lady learn some manners dammit
Lady: ***** off bully
Guy: Awe soek djy n ****klap!
Lady: Hamba you racist bully!
 
Nope. Completely disagree. Her version went like this and has been backed up by employees and CCTV of spur:

Her kids complained to her they were being bullied by his kid. She asked them to stay at her table. Later the kids went back and his daughter smacked her daughter. Her daughter pwned his daughter and she went running to her father. If he was a reasonable thinking human being like the mother, he would have asked his daughter for the full story. My parents used to listen to the full story of the one to run complaining first, then they would ask you what your part was. They'd pretty much sussed out that kids would be kids. The one who comes running is not necessarily the innocent party.

Her father approached the mother and she told him she didn't react earlier, because kids will be kids. She was magnanimous here since her daughter was the one that got bullied first. She further states that she told him this. This is the point where they both should have laughed about the situation and gone their separate ways.

But because she didn't fall down and do obeisance at his feet, the big cowardly bully that he is turned his rage on her child. He tried to pull her child away and asked his daughter to hit her. She jumped to protect her child like any mother would do and he called her a **** and told her f.you.

The situation then escalated to the point where she was cussing at him and he was threatening her with violence.

In light of everything that has come out, I'm in her corner. I don't think she should have used such language in front of kids, but I will not put the blame for his behaviour at her door. I don't think I would have kept my cool either if some idiot gorilla touched my child and if you're completely honest you will admit it too.

So to recap, no they are both not at fault. There is no justification for his behaviour.

Spur should release the video and we can verify if your version is true. My version is more plausible.
 
Don't waste our time with over used memes, seriously?

The cctv footage proves a man approaching and conversing the woman.
After few words were exchanged he tugged the kid, abusive? No!

The whole objective of this argument is the fact that the woman failed to be apologetic for her child's behavior, eye witnesses stated her kid engaged the other kid.

Instead of getting down an asking the little rascal if said incident occurred she went on a complete rampage! Even if he was profane first, which is justified by the fact that he's a concerned father.
Any father will react in such a manner!

Why the hell is there need to bring up race into this situation? Even if he did call her racial slurs, it was provoked by anger.

That woman seriously needs to discipline her kid, bullying starts at home!
She'll be free to continue such behavior knowing her mother will go in guns blazing to defend her.

none is as blind as those who refuse to see...
 
Well guess what? So far she hasn't been caught in any lies in her version. And in case you've missed it, he's the one who is the bully. He's the one with six assault charges against his name. And let's not forget he is claimed to have tried to strangle one of his girlfriends already. It's only a matter of time before he pulls an Oscar and by then it would be too late.

I guess in this case his daughter was only following in his footsteps.

I think the kids should be left out of this argument. Kids will always be kids. They didn't cause any of this. Nico Viljoen did.
 
Instead it went like this:

Guy: Hi your child hit my child!
Lady: Awe, voetsek I'm eating my Spur Burger!
Guy: Excuse me, please listen and talk to your child, this is a serious issue!
Lady: Omnomnomnomnomnom!
Guy: Ok, come here child, let me take you to my kid to apoligise. (*takes kid by the arm*)
Lady: Why are you grabbing my child, give it back!!! (*grabs kid by arm*)
Guy: Lady learn some manners dammit
Lady: ***** off bully
Guy: Awe soek djy n ****klap!
Lady: Hamba you racist bully!

What a load of horse ****
 
This whole thing is going around in circles. Maybe all the new commenters must start reading the thread from the beginning. Otherwise it's just the same arguments over again. Just with a new batch of apologists.
 
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