Spur Incident

[Former member 61586]

So did everyone see the footage of the guy grabbing her kid by the arm? Is that okay? Grabbing someone else's child in a violent manner like that?

Where is this footage?

 

[Flanders]

Huh?
I think you missed my point. My point is that it is difficult to identify the bully from the video, but I would guess it is the kid having the brick thrown at him.

By that logic, the guy in the spur video is the victim then? Since he is the one "acting out", right?

180 degree logic flip.

 

[Moosedrool]

I don't see any racism comming from the white oke. Only a dude getting edged on more and more by a loud stranger who thinks she can say whatever she wants to whoever she wants too.

I would want to see the start of this incident cause at the moment I'm simply on the dude's side. Do people really think talking like that to someone shouldn't have consequences? The oke walks away and she continues edging him on by yelling f#ck you, calling him a racist etc... what the hell do people expect that he should just say: "i'm sorry for being a piece of dirt in your country."?

 

[Knyro]

I don't see any racism comming from the white oke. Only a dude getting edged on more and more by a loud stranger who thinks she can say whatever she wants to whoever she wants too.

I would want to see the start of this incident cause at the moment I'm simply on the dude's side. Do people really think talking like that to someone shouldn't have consequences? The oke walks away and she continues edging him on by yelling f#ck you, calling him a racist etc... what the hell do people expect that he should just say: "i'm sorry for being a piece of dirt in your country."?

Do you get physical when somebody swears at you?

Vloek the woman back and walk away. No need to carry on like a savage.

 

[ɹǝuuᴉM]

Is there a pic of the little girl who got smacked? This thread will reach 100 pages before the weekend is over! Rainbow nation my .... If the colors were reversed, would the ANCWL have toy-toyed ???

 

[Swa]

I don't see any racism comming from the white oke. Only a dude getting edged on more and more by a loud stranger who thinks she can say whatever she wants to whoever she wants too.

I would want to see the start of this incident cause at the moment I'm simply on the dude's side. Do people really think talking like that to someone shouldn't have consequences? The oke walks away and she continues edging him on by yelling f#ck you, calling him a racist etc... what the hell do people expect that he should just say: "i'm sorry for being a piece of dirt in your country."?

Apparently some people who were in that Spur posted what really happened. The woman started like that after the guy confronted her about her kid who repeatedly hit his in the head. Not only did the Spur staff not do anything about that but the video only shows the last piece. He deserved an unreserved apology.

 

[Moosedrool]

Do you get physical when somebody swears at you?

Vloek the woman back and walk away. No need to carry on like a savage.

No but i arguably wouldn't know how i would react if this womens kid hit my child and instead of disciplining the child on the matter starts to call me a racist and continues shytting down on me even while I simply walk away directly teaching her twit children that this kinda behavior is OK.

 

[Oppiekoffie]

Ok, I haven't read all pages from 12. sEEN AN assault case, 4 blacks on white, nothing said
http://albertonrecord.co.za/37021/spur-employees-tried-to-rescue-bradley/
and another where the guy in the video(bully of the Glen spur) went over and asked her to displipline her child. She then told him to F*** off. So yes, Spur should ban her as well.

 

[Vrotappel]

That looked more like a mother protecting her child to me.

So let's get this straight, grown man tugs another person's child by the arm. This person reacts.. she's wrong?

K

Whose kid started the assault?

 

[Vrotappel]

I think it is quite telling that Spur is not releasing a full video of all interactions.

 

[RyanPCMR]

I agree with the version of events where the woman in that Spur incident is being an extreme racist and is now being hailed as "The african woman who stood up to bullying from a white man" (Notice how in that quote I can use the word "white" quite easily while current racist SA society makes me cringe whenever I try to use the other color...it's an english word...sorry but I'm quite frankly too scared for the moral police to even say that word...maybe next time...for now "african" would be used.)

 

[BeerIsNotGood...]

That c*** and her children should be banned aswell

 

[Binary_Bark]

I think it is quite telling that Spur is not releasing a full video of all interactions.

Yes

That c*** and her children should be banned aswell

Yes


Both where in the wrong, ban one and bow with apologies to the other? Really? very telling from the Spur executives.

This sort of thing happens a lot this is not a isolated incontinent (This was filmed), rather get them together, have them talk and get it sorted.
There was CCTV cameras (most footage was conveniently cut).

A teacher, when in school once said there are three sides to a story, "Mine, yours and the truth"
This story has been taken over the edge, then tied with lead to the feet and thrown in the ocean. It has been taken too far and ripped a part.
This is parents over reacting, if your child is harmed or placed in danger, you would do anything to keep them safe and happy. Most here are concentrating on the adults and what they have done, it is not about them.
It is about the children and children will be naughty, they will be rowdy and push their parents and other people to see what happens, it is how they learn about life. Children are not born racist they are taught.
Both adults where in the wrong and displayed a bad example, that is it.

 

[SaoirseB]

So to recap, both parties are at fault. Him for being an overly aggressive dick that 'grabbed' her child and she for deliberately escalating it and also play the race card. Both poor parents. Agree, disagree?

Nope. Completely disagree. Her version went like this and has been backed up by employees and CCTV of spur:

Her kids complained to her they were being bullied by his kid. She asked them to stay at her table. Later the kids went back and his daughter smacked her daughter. Her daughter pwned his daughter and she went running to her father. If he was a reasonable thinking human being like the mother, he would have asked his daughter for the full story. My parents used to listen to the full story of the one to run complaining first, then they would ask you what your part was. They'd pretty much sussed out that kids would be kids. The one who comes running is not necessarily the innocent party.

Her father approached the mother and she told him she didn't react earlier, because kids will be kids. She was magnanimous here since her daughter was the one that got bullied first. She further states that she told him this. This is the point where they both should have laughed about the situation and gone their separate ways.

But because she didn't fall down and do obeisance at his feet, the big cowardly bully that he is turned his rage on her child. He tried to pull her child away and asked his daughter to hit her. She jumped to protect her child like any mother would do and he called her a **** and told her f.you.

The situation then escalated to the point where she was cussing at him and he was threatening her with violence.

In light of everything that has come out, I'm in her corner. I don't think she should have used such language in front of kids, but I will not put the blame for his behaviour at her door. I don't think I would have kept my cool either if some idiot gorilla touched my child and if you're completely honest you will admit it too.

So to recap, no they are both not at fault. There is no justification for his behaviour.

 

[Former member 61586]

Nope. Completely disagree. Her version went like this and has been backed up by employees and CCTV of spur:

Her kids complained to her they were being bullied by his kid. She asked them to stay at her table. Later the kids went back and his daughter smacked her daughter. Her daughter pwned his daughter and she went running to her father. If he was a reasonable thinking human being like the mother, he would have asked his daughter for the full story. My parents used to listen to the full story of the one to run complaining first, then they would ask you what your part was. They'd pretty much sussed out that kids would be kids. The one who comes running is not necessarily the innocent party.

Her father approached the mother and she told him she didn't react earlier, because kids will be kids. She was magnanimous here since her daughter was the one that got bullied first. She further states that she told him this. This is the point where they both should have laughed about the situation and gone their separate ways.

But because she didn't fall down and do obeisance at his feet, the big cowardly bully that he is turned his rage on her child. He tried to pull her child away and asked his daughter to hit her. She jumped to protect her child like any mother would do and he called her a **** and told her f.you.

The situation then escalated to the point where she was cussing at him and he was threatening her with violence.

In light of everything that has come out, I'm in her corner. I don't think she should have used such language in front of kids, but I will not put the blame for his behaviour at her door. I don't think I would have kept my cool either if some idiot gorilla touched my child and if you're completely honest you will admit it too.

So to recap, no they are both not at fault. There is no justification for his behaviour.

Why are logical intelligent people not getting this ^.

 

[SaoirseB]

If she continued to provoke, then part of the blame rests with her as well, its not rocket science.

So let me get this straight. He was wrong for acting the way he did, but it was her fault for MAKING him act the way he did?

 

[Binary_Bark]

 

[SaoirseB]

Somehow people forget why the guy actually walked over to the table in the first place.
People are quick to blame the guy for his aggression and questioning how he treats woman in general, but how does the other household look like where it is ok to hit a girl for no apparent reason?

In hindsight, the guy should have called over the manager when his daughter came to him, and the manager should have handled the situation from there. But, I don't think anyone can be expected to always be level headed when their daughter is slapped through the face for no apparent reason. Both parties should go on some sort of anger management and conflict resolution course, IMO

Do you think his daughter slapping her daughter first is no apparent reason?

You will notice I never said it was justification for anything.

I just said some of the blame for the whole situation rests with her.

And trying to equate this to a clothing = justification for rape thing is retarded in the extreme.

That's bs reasoning. If you provoke(bait) someone into a fight you deserve to get punched. (not the kid)
To use your rape example that's like a women claiming rape afterwards because the sex wasn't as enjoyable as she had hoped.

Yeah sure, but don't cry when you DO get punched

So the mother would have deserved getting punched because she provoked him? Do you at all see alarming similarities between your statements and men who justify using their wives as punching bags because their wives provoked them?

 

[SaoirseB]

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:crylaugh: poor Spur. Or is any publicity good publicity?

 

[Swa]

Nope. Completely disagree. Her version went like this and has been backed up by employees and CCTV of spur:

Her kids complained to her they were being bullied by his kid. She asked them to stay at her table. Later the kids went back and his daughter smacked her daughter. Her daughter pwned his daughter and she went running to her father. If he was a reasonable thinking human being like the mother, he would have asked his daughter for the full story. My parents used to listen to the full story of the one to run complaining first, then they would ask you what your part was. They'd pretty much sussed out that kids would be kids. The one who comes running is not necessarily the innocent party.

Her father approached the mother and she told him she didn't react earlier, because kids will be kids. She was magnanimous here since her daughter was the one that got bullied first. She further states that she told him this. This is the point where they both should have laughed about the situation and gone their separate ways.

But because she didn't fall down and do obeisance at his feet, the big cowardly bully that he is turned his rage on her child. He tried to pull her child away and asked his daughter to hit her. She jumped to protect her child like any mother would do and he called her a **** and told her f.you.

The situation then escalated to the point where she was cussing at him and he was threatening her with violence.

In light of everything that has come out, I'm in her corner. I don't think she should have used such language in front of kids, but I will not put the blame for his behaviour at her door. I don't think I would have kept my cool either if some idiot gorilla touched my child and if you're completely honest you will admit it too.

So to recap, no they are both not at fault. There is no justification for his behaviour.

Where is this footage? Did anybody see it? People that were there report it was the opposite. He went to her table asking her what she's going to do about it. Instead of calmly talking it out she started swearing at him.