Spur Incident

[Spontaneous spinach]

What friends of hers? None of her friends made any statements that I recall. But a third neutral party, Spur and it's employees backed up her version of events and from what I saw of the footage, what she has been saying from the very beginning has been confirmed. She very calmly explained to him kids would be kids then he called her a **** and told her f.you. and she cussed him back when he grabbed her child.

His two eye witnesses who happen to be his friends, claimed he simply went up to her calmly to ask for her to discipline her child and she immediately started cussing at him. What complete BS.

The footage proved he grabbed her child. The footage proved he threatened her with physical violence.

No! What nonsense! kids would be kids?
A kid harmed another kid, it not an accident and they're not friends which makes that statement invalid.
It was a conscious act!

People are stating his kid engaged first but she failed to mention such a statement in her video interview, she continued to state her kid assulted his kid and so on.

She no point she talks about her kid being assulted by his kid, she only spoke of him grabbing her kids arm.

 

[access]

What friends of hers? None of her friends made any statements that I recall. But a third neutral party, Spur and it's employees backed up her version of events and from what I saw of the footage, what she has been saying from the very beginning has been confirmed. She very calmly explained to him kids would be kids then he called her a **** and told her f.you. and she cussed him back when he grabbed her child.

His two eye witnesses who happen to be his friends, claimed he simply went up to her calmly to ask for her to discipline her child and she immediately started cussing at him. What complete BS.

The footage proved he grabbed her child. The footage proved he threatened her with physical violence.

forget whos kid slapped who first, the kids had a fight. "kids will be kids" yeah?

this man obviously approached this woman because of it. why else would he go to their table.

the man did not grab the child, that is an exaggeration go read the definition of grab, he took the childs arm, she grabbed the child on the other arm and pulled back, nothing wrong with this either.


the fact that these 2 adults could not sort this out in a respectful manner is the problem. he carried on like a guerilla beating his chest, she carried on like a screaming banchee.


the guy is not innocent.

that woman is also no innocent.


people must stop exaggerating to get more attention, finding the harshest words to describe something trivial. phobias and other nonsense included.

 

[SaoirseB]

Spur is actually not a neutral party. I don't know how you gathered that from a 50 second soundless clip. I also don't see how you can assume all the witnesses to be his friends.

Spur is actually still deliberating with their lawyers if they can release the footage. Probably trying to figure out if it can back up her version.

So the Spur team are her friends and lying for her? The eye witness accounts for him that I've read are said to be his friends. If there are others, please send me a link so I can go read their version of events.

 

[Spontaneous spinach]

Well guess what? So far she hasn't been caught in any lies in her version. And in case you've missed it, he's the one who is the bully. He's the one with six assault charges against his name. And let's not forget he is claimed to have tried to strangle one of his girlfriends already. It's only a matter of time before he pulls an Oscar and by then it would be too late.

I guess in this case his daughter was only following in his footsteps.

Lol I guess we are all getting worked up for nothing until solid footage is presented.

 

[Swa]

Well guess what? So far she hasn't been caught in any lies in her version. And in case you've missed it, he's the one who is the bully. He's the one with six assault charges against his name. And let's not forget he is claimed to have tried to strangle one of his girlfriends already. It's only a matter of time before he pulls an Oscar and by then it would be too late.

I guess in this case his daughter was only following in his footsteps.

Neither has he. And which assault charges are these? She stated she isn't going to press charges. You're making a lot of libelous accusations here.

 

[Moosedrool]

Did you not read through this thread? A simple google search of Spur releasing their footage?

I'm taking bets you'll come back and tell us the man was fully within his rights.

No he was not. Or at least not like that. But if it was mere defending his child i'd use just enough force to make sure my child doesn't get hurt.

The issue with that is it might also look like assult or something except being completely in control. What i can see from the footage is that this guy is frustrated which is dangerous and not completely in control. What happened to make him so angry?

Both are wrong but there's no reason to call the dude a prick and a racist when some are even saying she grabbed his child with even more force or now that he wanted to let his kid punch hers or whatever stories are pouring out of everyones mouthes.

Again what i'm figuring as per reports and whatnot is the women's kid hit the dude's kid. Grey area but either the dude shouted at her kid or confronted her or both to bring the situation to her attention, i think with some assertion. And she started arguing causing a scene. Spouting insults. The dude now angry which is obviously a bad thing probably asked her how her kid would like it if mine hit yours. (Because i read this in the comments as well though nothing on camera or anything) which he grabbed the child on the arm. And then the rest on the phone camera.

All could be avoided with a simple sorry and discipline. Instead a heated argument. Now racism is involved and people are making it a big story cause of that and going on a spree. Keep your fookin kids inline dammit.

 

[Swa]

So the Spur team are her friends and lying for her? The eye witness accounts for him that I've read are said to be his friends. If there are others, please send me a link so I can go read their version of events.

I'm saying Spur is by definition not a neutral party here. If anything the customers are neutral. Said to be his friends by whom? It seems to me you just want to cast doubt on the accounts which none corroborates her version.

 

[SaoirseB]

forget whos kid slapped who first, the kids had a fight. "kids will be kids" yeah?

this man obviously approached this woman because of it. why else would he go to their table.

This I can agree with you on.

the man did not grab the child, that is an exaggeration go read the definition of grab, he took the childs arm, she grabbed the child on the other arm and pulled back, nothing from with this either.

This is a matter of opinion. I too would have read it as an aggressive move. No one and I mean no one is allowed to take it upon themselves to discipline my child. I mean who the hell are you?

the fact that these 2 adults could not sort this out in a respectful manner is the problem. he carried on like a guerilla beating his chest, she carried on like a screaming banchee.

Surprise surprise :wtf: we're agreeing again.

the guy is not innocent.

that woman is also no innocent.

people must stop exaggerating to get more attention, finding the harshest words to describe something trivial. phobias and other nonsense included.

And this is where we part ways again. Despite my not agreeing with her reaction, I can sympathize with her. He had no right to touch her child or threaten her the way he did.

 

[Moosedrool]

All this could've been avoided with a harde pak slae.

 

[SaoirseB]

Lol I guess we are all getting worked up for nothing until solid footage is presented.

You claimed bullying starts at home, inferring that she teaches her child how to bully other kids at home. There is no evidence backing up your inference, but there is evidence backing up his abusive nature. I'm going to act dense and say I cannot provide you with solid footage of him assaulting those women or of him strangling his girlfriend, but let me do you a solid and provide proof of him threatening violence again't this mother and her children.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.za/2017/03/21/spur-attack-victim-they-took-my-numbers-and-thats-where-it-end_a_21904021/

 

[Seriously]

In my experience, the person who gets continuously bullied is generally the one to pick up a brick, as they tend to feel powerless.

In my experiences thats what a typical savage would do.

 

[Moosedrool]

Also "kids will be kids" no. Brats and kids are 2 different things. I can't recall running amok, screaming and annoying everyone around me and on this topic, hitting other kids in the spur with my family ever. Simply because my dad would've spanked me right then and there.

 

[SaoirseB]

Neither has he. And which assault charges are these? She stated she isn't going to press charges. You're making a lot of libelous accusations here.

For pete's sake! Must I do all your work for you? Go and search.

 

[SaoirseB]

No he was not. Or at least not like that. But if it was mere defending his child i'd use just enough force to make sure my child doesn't get hurt.

The issue with that is it might also look like assult or something except being completely in control. What i can see from the footage is that this guy is frustrated which is dangerous and not completely in control. What happened to make him so angry?

Both are wrong but there's no reason to call the dude a prick and a racist when some are even saying she grabbed his child with even more force or now that he wanted to let his kid punch hers or whatever stories are pouring out of everyones mouthes.

Again what i'm figuring as per reports and whatnot is the women's kid hit the dude's kid. Grey area but either the dude shouted at her kid or confronted her or both to bring the situation to her attention, i think with some assertion. And she started arguing causing a scene. Spouting insults. The dude now angry which is obviously a bad thing probably asked her how her kid would like it if mine hit yours. (Because i read this in the comments as well though nothing on camera or anything) which he grabbed the child on the arm. And then the rest on the phone camera.

All could be avoided with a simple sorry and discipline. Instead a heated argument. Now racism is involved and people are making it a big story cause of that and going on a spree. Keep your fookin kids inline dammit.

Nah! I'm done. I'm jumping off this insanity train.

 

[access]

This I can agree with you on.



This is a matter of opinion. I too would have read it as an aggressive move. No one and I mean no one is allowed to take it upon themselves to discipline my child. I mean who the hell are you?



Surprise surprise :wtf: we're agreeing again.



And this is where we part ways again. Despite my not agreeing with her reaction, I can sympathize with her. He had no right to touch her child or threaten her the way he did.

so you say you do not agree with her reaction, but its ok because you sympathise with her? that's not right. if you disagree with something it is not right by you. right?


yes the physical contact should not have happened. there was nothing violent or aggressive about it, its like lifting a child onto a table or chair, not even that much power/force was used by the guy. looking at the motion, speed and distance of the contact duration you can see this and the child didn't scream in pain or fear either. she however used far more power/force than him to pull the child across the one sitting in the middle to the other side of the table out of the guys hand. you can clearly see this in the clip.

I get that the contact of a angry swearing d00s on her god daughter gets you worked up. some parents say give him a hiding other say you dare touch my child. each to their own. it doesn't mean the guy was violent and aggressive with the child.

 

[Seriously]

Nah! I'm done. I'm jumping off this insanity train.

Thank goodness. Bye.

 

[Moosedrool]

Nah! I'm done. I'm jumping off this insanity train.

You obviously didn't read past that...

Anyway the only reason why this is such big news is cause someone shouted racism. This is dumb shyte that happens way too much and it's simply bad parenting.

 

[Spontaneous spinach]

You claimed bullying starts at home, inferring that she teaches her child how to bully other kids at home. There is no evidence backing up your inference, but there is evidence backing up his abusive nature. I'm going to act dense and say I cannot provide you with solid footage of him assaulting those women or of him strangling his girlfriend, but let me do you a solid and provide proof of him threatening violence again't this mother and her children.

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.za/2017/03/21/spur-attack-victim-they-took-my-numbers-and-thats-where-it-end_a_21904021/

How can we confirm that site/writers credibility?
Anyone on a computer could've gathered information from various sites and recreated a different scenario!
Media has mislead us a lot, you know this!

I can confirm bullying starts at home when parents fails to point out what's appropriate and whats not appropriate!
In this situation it's obvious, it's even obvious she's overwhelmed by all the kids around her, they're scattering around, barely getting any sort of attention.

In her video interview, her priority was not what motivated the interaction but how the interaction progressed!

She failed to reason at first which lead to the man's frustration!
He approached her to alert her of her kids behavior which he received a, "kids will be kids" reply!
Knowing she's not going to do a single thing, he grab the kid and told his daughter to klap her which failed.

How do you not see she's also at fault in this situation?
All she could have done was told him to sit his ass down and discuss the situation but she wasn't interested , neither does she seem interested in the kids around her.

 

[Spontaneous spinach]

How can we confirm that site/writers credibility?
Anyone on a computer could've gathered information from various sites and recreated a different scenario!
Media has mislead us a lot, you know this!

I can confirm bullying starts at home when parents fails to point out what's appropriate and whats not appropriate!
In this situation it's obvious, it's even obvious she's overwhelmed by all the kids around her, they're scattering around, barely getting any sort of attention.

In her video interview, her priority was not what motivated the interaction but how the interaction progressed!

She failed to reason at first which lead to the man's frustration!
He approached her to alert her of her kids behavior which he received a, "kids will be kids" reply!
Knowing she's not going to do a single thing, he grab the kid and told his daughter to klap her which failed.

How do you not see she's also at fault in this situation?
All she could have done was told him to sit his ass down and discuss the situation but she wasn't interested , neither does she seem interested in the kids around her.

Only when feces hits the fan, they want to jump up and be mother of the year.
Neglected to solve the issue when it apparently happened, when apparently the little rascals were attacked by a single girl.... .. .

 

[Swa]

For pete's sake! Must I do all your work for you? Go and search.

Go and search for what? Things you claim that I only hear on this forum now for the first time?

Here are the facts. The eye witnesses don't claim anything different than what's shown on the footage, they only provide what can't be shown. He didn't threaten her kid or told his kid to hit hers. Neither does she make that claim. I haven't seen her claiming his kid hit hers first. These are all just "facts" you are making up here. So where is this different version you claim she's claiming and that the employees are backing up? It doesn't exist.

Also I watched the footage, first the phone and now the 50 second cctv footage without sound. There's a lot of context missing so I'm going with what witnesses are claiming and what she isn't denying. To me it doesn't look as aggressive as you claim it to be.

Apparently she also told her kid afterwards that it's not ok to hit others. What escalated the situation is her not taking ownership of that there.