Stage 1 loadshedding from 9am Monday

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This thread here gonna run for the next 1.5 to 3 yrs?
Reporting on every loadshed?
Haha
 
bwana said:
My dad is here visiting from the US. I'm pretty sure he's a bit bewildered about how in-stride we're taking the shedding.

If it was up to him we'd all be on a plane tomorrow.
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My friend from Switzerland was the same. She could not believe that we adjust our lives around it. To look out a window at night and see utter blackness in a city is mind-boggling. She lives in Zug and the electricity has not faltered since it was installed in 1898
 
chrisc said:
My friend from Switzerland was the same. She could not believe that we adjust our lives around it. To look out a window at night and see utter blackness in a city is mind-boggling. She lives in Zug and the electricity has not faltered since it was installed in 1898
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The ANC should use this as an example of why Maintenance is a necessary thing and not just wait for something to break and THEN decide to fix it when they get around to it.
 
Hummercellc said:
Unplanned outages are in the 12000mw range again...

Who knows what the week ahead holds in store.
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The main reason for the LS this weekend I believe is to replenish reserves (pumped storage and OCGTs) for the week ahead. So the news might not be as bad as it first appears.
 
Hummercellc said:
Unplanned outages are in the 12000mw range again...

Who knows what the week ahead holds in store.
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i reckon some on and off nightly loadshedding to replenish reserves more, probably from mid to late week
 
chrisc said:
My friend from Switzerland was the same. She could not believe that we adjust our lives around it. To look out a window at night and see utter blackness in a city is mind-boggling. She lives in Zug and the electricity has not faltered since it was installed in 1898
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He loses his power fairly often but that's because of mother nature, not incompetence.
 
we were meant to have ls from 20:00-23:00 on friday night and saturday night, both of which never happened. we were also mean to be off now from 7:30 - 10:30 and we still on. Our next round is tonight after 10 which i doubt will happen.
 
chrisc said:
My friend from Switzerland was the same. She could not believe that we adjust our lives around it. To look out a window at night and see utter blackness in a city is mind-boggling. She lives in Zug and the electricity has not faltered since it was installed in 1898
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switzerland has a bottom up political structure, we have it top down.
 
Steamy Tom said:
we were meant to have ls from 20:00-23:00 on friday night and saturday night, both of which never happened. we were also mean to be off now from 7:30 - 10:30 and we still on. Our next round is tonight after 10 which i doubt will happen.
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maybe the guy that flips the switch is getting tired of working so hard.
 
Eskom needs to avoid burning diesel at all costs, yes it will mean Stage 2 to 4 Load Shedding, as 2000mw will be lost.

I would rather have permanent Load Shedding, which we can plan our lives around.

Eskom can use the money wasted on diesel to help fund maintenance and fixing of coal fire power stations.

Bringing the coal base load back some sort of reliability.

The political interference is the biggest challenge.
 
cavedog said:
Yes well if you take the example they were using today about servicing a car. Imagine driving a 25 year old car today. Basically everything needs to be replaced and frequently and it costs more and more money which they don't have. So yeah extensive maintenance is needed but at this age and the way the units are run at max power for extended periods of time no matter how much maintenance you do you will still get a lot of unplanned breakdowns.

Then you ask yourself what about new then you just have to hear 2 names. Kusile and Medupi. Design flaws causing the boiler units to self destruct and they have't even really done real work compared to the 25+ year old units. They just taken down Medupi Unit 3 and will be down for 2 and half months to fix a design flaw. How bad are things if this happen.

I don't trust anyone and in my honest opinion I reckon Eskom is too far gone to save. They will bleed billions of rands burning through expensive diesel and expensive repair costs. When everything eventually starts working they still sit with billions of written off debt and billions of still owning debt and they will never get that money because the people that owe it can't afford it that is why they bridge meters and leave lights on and boil water during peak time because they don't pay so other people suffer and nothing will happen because the ANC wants to hold on to their majority vote so they will do anything.

It's a viscous cycle and I doubt we will see Eskom succeeding in this lifetime at least. It is what it is an Government will keep on dumping wheelbarrows of money at megawatt park.
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Unless your life is really short, I think it will end one way or another a lot faster than that, it's an exponential crisis and the result should be <10 years (be it Eskom actually gets back on track or the entire thing fails).
 
wingnut771 said:
maybe the guy that flips the switch is getting tired of working so hard.
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yeah so by us they have to drive to the substations to flip the switch, apparently from rumour they don't switch before 8am or after 10pm, so if your shedding goes beyond that you don't get shed (kinda unfair to others imo but anyway)
 
cavedog said:
Yes well if you take the example they were using today about servicing a car. Imagine driving a 25 year old car today. Basically everything needs to be replaced and frequently and it costs more and more money which they don't have. So yeah extensive maintenance is needed but at this age and the way the units are run at max power for extended periods of time no matter how much maintenance you do you will still get a lot of unplanned breakdowns.

Then you ask yourself what about new then you just have to hear 2 names. Kusile and Medupi. Design flaws causing the boiler units to self destruct and they have't even really done real work compared to the 25+ year old units. They just taken down Medupi Unit 3 and will be down for 2 and half months to fix a design flaw. How bad are things if this happen.

I don't trust anyone and in my honest opinion I reckon Eskom is too far gone to save. They will bleed billions of rands burning through expensive diesel and expensive repair costs. When everything eventually starts working they still sit with billions of written off debt and billions of still owning debt and they will never get that money because the people that owe it can't afford it that is why they bridge meters and leave lights on and boil water during peak time because they don't pay so other people suffer and nothing will happen because the ANC wants to hold on to their majority vote so they will do anything.

It's a viscous cycle and I doubt we will see Eskom succeeding in this lifetime at least. It is what it is an Government will keep on dumping wheelbarrows of money at megawatt park.
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Good mate of mine, now living in Moz, worked there.
He left in 2019 after last year's LS.
The bottom line is- the place is too far gone to be saved. The trouble is you can't say that in public because people get upset, but its true. The ANC tell the public lies and cover it all up. The days of having power for 4 hours every day are coming, like the situation in Bulawayo, and Harare.
You either adapt by buying batteries and generators or you leave SA. But attacking people who are telling the truth gets nobody anywhere. It seems saffas don't like to hear certain things... will rather pretend SA is something special that cannot fail. Remember the Titanic...

Eskom is simply too far gone, we will have this power cut problem for a long time before it will get better.
 
Johnatan56 said:
Unless your life is really short, I think it will end one way or another a lot faster than that, it's an exponential crisis and the result should be <10 years (be it Eskom actually gets back on track or the entire thing fails).
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Well by too far gone I actually mean actually making a profit. Eskom will never fold and close down because government will just dump money into it so it will always be there and always work to some extend but I doubt it will ever make a profit. Remember that we have loadshedding because the plant breakdowns. There are only 2 new power station and they are not performing they way they should. WHat happens when the old stations start breaking on a daily basis.

PaulMurkin said:
Good mate of mine, now living in Moz, worked there.
He left in 2019 after last year's LS.
The bottom line is- the place is too far gone to be saved. The trouble is you can't say that in public because people get upset, but its true. The ANC tell the public lies and cover it all up. The days of having power for 4 hours every day are coming, like the situation in Bulawayo, and Harare.
You either adapt by buying batteries and generators or you leave SA. But attacking people who are telling the truth gets nobody anywhere. It seems saffas don't like to hear certain things... will rather pretend SA is something special that cannot fail. Remember the Titanic...

Eskom is simply too far gone, we will have this power cut problem for a long time before it will get better.
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Yeah too far gone. I don't think they will let it go that far they will just dump more and more money into it slowly bankrupting the government. Very sad indeed.
 
cavedog said:
Well by too far gone I actually mean actually making a profit. Eskom will never fold and close down because government will just dump money into it so it will always be there and always work to some extend but I doubt it will ever make a profit. Remember that we have loadshedding because the plant breakdowns. There are only 2 new power station and they are not performing they way they should. WHat happens when the old stations start breaking on a daily basis.
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No, I think if debt gets too insane, Eskom will be sorted one way or another, it will have to be near break even by 2030 or it will be replaced by parts. The entire energy sector in South Africa is going to have a shake-up, one way or another, rest of the world is already going through (or already has), we're just late as usual. I think France would be the best case-study for South Africa.
 
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