Star Wars VII: The Force Awakens

Chevron said:
Now I'm not saying JJAbrams is good, he messed up the Star Trek sequel, but I'd rather see JJAbrams Star Wars, then another Lucas Star Wars at this point.
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Na! He didn't mess up Star Trek. Thats your opinion, so I'm with Cerebus on this. But Lucas IS Star Wars!
 
cerebus said:
He didn't mess up Star Trek, I loved that movie. The second one wasn't so great but the first was class.
http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/star_trek_11/

But Star Wars wasn't a fluke, not at all. George Lucas was once a very gifted director. He had a clear vision for Star Wars and executed something that had never been done before in cinema. Remember he was one of the most promising young directors already since American Graffiti, and he went on to direct Raiders of the Lost Ark.
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You should read my post again.

The rebooted Star Trek movie is good. He messed up the sequel.

Regarding Lucas creating Star Wars by fluke, I'm not the only one that thinks that. And if I remember correctly he didn't even have that much involvement with Star Wars II and III anyway. He tried to change them after the fact to "make them his".

Do some googling, you'll see what I mean.
 
Ninja'd said:
Disney declared them all non-canon.
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Eish

Everything outside of the original trilogy, the prequel trilogy, The Clone Wars television show, and the upcoming Rebels, is now out, and LucasArts has justified its decision in a recent blog post on its official website.

“[George] Lucas always made it clear that he was not beholden to the EU [Expanded Universe]. He set the films he created as the canon. This includes the six Star Wars episodes, and the many hours of content he developed and produced in Star Wars: The Clone Wars. These stories are the immovable objects of Star Wars history, the characters and events to which all other tales must align.”

Of course, the company was going to be running into problems with Episode VII-IX as it wants to tell a different story than what is already established, so it has dropped the hammer declaring that everything that happens after the original trilogy never happened in a galaxy far, far away.

“In order to give maximum creative freedom to the filmmakers and also preserve an element of surprise and discovery for the audience, Star Wars Episodes VII-IX will not tell the same story told in the post-Return of the Jedi Expanded Universe.”
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http://www.technobuffalo.com/2014/0...ire-star-wars-expanded-universe-is-non-canon/

So looks like I'll just binge the Star Wars movies then and maybe some clone wars :cry:
 
Chevron said:
You should read my post again.

The rebooted Star Trek movie is good. He messed up the sequel.

Regarding Lucas creating Star Wars by fluke, I'm not the only one that thinks that. And if I remember correctly he didn't even have that much involvement with Star Wars II and III anyway. He tried to change them after the fact to "make them his".

Do some googling, you'll see what I mean.
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What do you mean when you say he created Star Wars by fluke?
That makes no sense. He wrote the scripts and/or directed the movies, didn't he?
 
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Sherbang said:
What do you mean when you say he created Star Wars by fluke?
That makes no sense. He wrote the scripts and directed the movies, didn't he?
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Only ones he didn't direct was Phantom Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi. Empire is generally regarded as the best one.
 
Ninja'd said:
Only ones he didn't direct was Phantom Strikes Back and Return of the Jedi. Empire is generally regarded as the best one.
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He didn't even write the screenplay for Empire, Lawrence Kasdan wrote it based on Lucas' story.
 
Cray said:
He didn't even write the screenplay for Empire, Lawrence Kasdan wrote it based on Lucas' story.
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He still wrote the story and initial drafts. You make it sound like Lucas had minimal involvement.

Later that year, Lucas hired science fiction author Leigh Brackett to write Star Wars II with him. They held story conferences and, by late November 1977, Lucas had produced a handwritten treatment called The Empire Strikes Back. The treatment is similar to the final film, except that Darth Vader does not reveal he is Luke's father. In the first draft that Brackett would write from this, Luke's father appears as a ghost to instruct Luke.[51]

Brackett finished her first draft in early 1978; Lucas has said he was disappointed with it, but before he could discuss it with her, she died of cancer.[52] With no writer available, Lucas had to write his next draft himself. It was this draft in which Lucas first made use of the "Episode" numbering for the films; Empire Strikes Back was listed as Episode II.[53] As Michael Kaminski argues in The Secret History of Star Wars, the disappointment with the first draft probably made Lucas consider different directions in which to take the story.[54] He made use of a new plot twist: Darth Vader claims to be Luke's father. According to Lucas, he found this draft enjoyable to write, as opposed to the yearlong struggles writing the first film, and quickly wrote two more drafts,[55] both in April 1978. He also took the script to a darker extreme by having Han Solo imprisoned in carbonite and left in limbo.[14]

This new story point of Darth Vader being Luke's father had drastic effects on the series. Michael Kaminski argues in his book that it is unlikely that the plot point had ever seriously been considered or even conceived of before 1978, and that the first film was clearly operating under an alternate storyline where Vader was separate from Luke's father;[56] there is not a single reference to this plot point before 1978. After writing the second and third drafts of Empire Strikes Back in which the point was introduced, Lucas reviewed the new backstory he had created: Anakin Skywalker was Ben Kenobi's brilliant student and had a child named Luke, but was swayed to the dark side by Emperor Palpatine (who became a Sith and not simply a politician). Anakin battled Ben Kenobi on the site of a volcano and was wounded, but then resurrected as Darth Vader. Meanwhile, Kenobi hid Luke on Tatooine while the Republic became the Empire and Vader systematically hunted down and killed the Jedi.[57]

With this new backstory in place, Lucas decided that the series would be a trilogy, changing Empire Strikes Back from Episode II to Episode V in the next draft.[55] Lawrence Kasdan, who had just completed writing Raiders of the Lost Ark, was then hired to write the next drafts, and was given additional input from director Irvin Kershner. Kasdan, Kershner, and producer Gary Kurtz saw the film as a more serious and adult film, which was helped by the new, darker storyline, and developed the series from the light adventure roots of the first film.[58]
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars#Original_trilogy
 
imranpanji said:
I seriously think it's a reboot of sorts, so the movie version may not exist in print yet
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it doesn't.
as said earlier, everything after Episode VI doesn't exist anymore... VII-IX will be new and not according to anything that have been written previously in the timeline.
 
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