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And even more shockinger was a recording of him saying a bad word.
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State capture inquiry begins
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And even more shockinger was a recording of him saying a bad word.
Gordon_R
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The search for evidence continues, but some of these low-lifes have gone to great lengths, with safety deposit boxes and high-paid lawyers, trying to conceal the facts. Very interesting article: https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/art...-kuben-moodleys-safety-deposit-boxes-for-now/
TysonRoux
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TysonRoux
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Captain obvious has spoken.
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Jacob Zuma 'lied to state capture inquiry' - former chief director
A government official has accused former president Jacob Zuma of lying to the state capture inquiry.
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on one side I wish the ANC will rip itself apart
on the other side, I'm not prepared for the fallout that'll follow that...
on the other side, I'm not prepared for the fallout that'll follow that...
Cius
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I am, its the only way forwards for the country. The ANC as a single body will never be taken on by anything effective. They are too big. Even if they drop to 49% and a coalition takes power because that coalition would include such different parties policy change would not follow and that is what we most need. An ANC split with an honest side and a dishonest side (perhaps more honest vs dishonest is more likely) could lead to a situation where the better ANC could work with the DA to run the country and the FF+ leaving out the EFF and the Ace/Zuma ANC faction. Its honestly the only situation I see in the next 20 years that would have a hope of fixing SA.
TysonRoux
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CR is going have a tough time with this dirty ANC Zuptoid comrat.
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Ace Magashule a 'blesser of many' - inside the Free State 'asbestos heist'
ANC secretary general and former Free State premier Ace Magashule is a "blesser of many" who blatantly abused his power and laundered money from the public purse.
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Gordon_R
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CR is going have a tough time with this dirty ANC Zuptoid comrat.
Ace Magashule a 'blesser of many' - inside the Free State 'asbestos heist'
ANC secretary general and former Free State premier Ace Magashule is a "blesser of many" who blatantly abused his power and laundered money from the public purse.
Just came here to post another version of the same story: https://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/...-dukwana-tells-state-capture-inquiry-20190828
daveza
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When you eat at the taxpayer trough.
TysonRoux
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4. State capture will be sorted out by Christmas, no problem
“Don’t worry about thugs who are hijacking the state, I am going to finish them before Christmas.” Fikile Mbalula, 7 September 2017
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“Don’t worry about thugs who are hijacking the state, I am going to finish them before Christmas.” Fikile Mbalula, 7 September 2017
'Slaughter the whites' and 49 other things ANC leaders said - Van Onselen - BizNews.com
Political analyst Gareth van Onselen has been keeping quotable quotes from various parties but has focused first on the ANC. Here are the second 50.
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Fulcrum29
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4. State capture will be sorted out by Christmas, no problem
'Slaughter the whites' and 49 other things ANC leaders said - Van Onselen - BizNews.com
Political analyst Gareth van Onselen has been keeping quotable quotes from various parties but has focused first on the ANC. Here are the second 50.
The Zondo Commission commenced their hearings on August 20th, 2018. This was to gather oral evidence. The report was scheduled to be done by now already, mid-2019. The commission was established to complete their investigation within 180 days. Last year they approached the High Court to be granted with a 24-month extension which was to give them more time to investigate individuals like Jacob Zuma. This extension runs up to March 2020, meaning that they would need to conclude their investigation in February. Last month the commission again approached the High Court to be extended, again, which haven't been granted to date.
This extension is important, should it not be granted then the commission's time may be a waste. I don't have the rules at hand, but I believe that the report may be submitted at any time. I guess the report will be submitted by December 2020, and then it is the waiting game as the then-current president must decide on what happens next... It may also be that we never see the report in our days.
This can be dragged out, they may extend these investigations up to the day Jesus comes or scrap it as inconclusive. ANC™.
Gordon_R
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This could be interesting, though any real evidence is long gone: https://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/...onging-to-alleged-gupta-fixer-report-20190901
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The NPA is independent.The Zondo Commission commenced their hearings on August 20th, 2018. This was to gather oral evidence. The report was scheduled to be done by now already, mid-2019. The commission was established to complete their investigation within 180 days. Last year they approached the High Court to be granted with a 24-month extension which was to give them more time to investigate individuals like Jacob Zuma. This extension runs up to March 2020, meaning that they would need to conclude their investigation in February. Last month the commission again approached the High Court to be extended, again, which haven't been granted to date.
This extension is important, should it not be granted then the commission's time may be a waste. I don't have the rules at hand, but I believe that the report may be submitted at any time. I guess the report will be submitted by December 2020, and then it is the waiting game as the then-current president must decide on what happens next... It may also be that we never see the report in our days.
This can be dragged out, they may extend these investigations up to the day Jesus comes or scrap it as inconclusive. ANC.
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Fulcrum29
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What does the NPA have to do with the Zondo Commission’s mandate? Their task is simple, to investigate and report back to the president, which at this time is Ramaphosa, and to make recommendations. These recommendations, however, aren’t binding.
The prosecuting authorities don’t have to wait on the report, they may initiate action wherever ‘suggested’ criminality may have occurred. The issue is, an amendment was made to protect witnesses against implicating themselves in any crime. Shouldn’t this amendment have been made, then the Zondo Commission wouldn’t have had ‘credible’ or ‘supporting’ witnesses being able to test the evidence. How is the NPA going to work their way around this?
How many prosecutions have been initiated to date, ignoring those by the SAHRC?
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TysonRoux
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Looks forward to the sparks when high profile Zuptoids get nailed.
Flames are starting to lick at the man in the asbestos suit, Ace Magashule
The real question is what it has been for several months – (when) will the National Prosecuting Authority act on ample evidence given against Ace Magashule and others at the Zondo Commission?
It has been suggested many times that the dominant political dynamic within the African National Congress (ANC) at the moment is the complicated relationship between the leader of the party, President Cyril Ramaphosa, and its Secretary-General, Ace Magashule. This is a relationship of a constant conflict whose balance of power appears to ebb and flow with the factions’ tides. Within this dynamic is also the spectre of the real possibility of criminal charges being laid against Magashule. The testimony that was heard at the Zondo Commission last week, and his response to it, may well suggest that that moment is coming closer, which would radically change the balance of power. It is well known that our politics moves impossibly quickly. Last week, news editors would have had to make hard decisions between the unexpected death of Gavin Watson, Zandile Gumede’s decision to resign, and then rescind her resignation as Ethekwini mayor, and the flood of damaging information coming out of the Zondo Commission. In the fullness of time, it might well be that the most important information that came to light was actually that which concerns Magashule. On the stand was the former Free State Economic Development MEC Mxolisi Dukwana. He is well known for his opposition to Magashule; he had previously explained how Magashule had taken him to Saxonwold to meet the Guptas. But his testimony last week was more shocking, and backed up by documentary evidence. To sum it up, Dukwana says there is email correspondence that shows that Magashule received a R10-million payment as part of a tender that saw roofs in the Free State being checked to see if they contained asbestos. The total tender was for R255-million which meant that to check 300,000 dwellings would cost R850 per house. And yet, as Dukwana explained, it appears the sum was done backwards; the starting amount was R255-million and that was then divided by R850 to arrive at the number of 300,000 houses. He also testified that this information could have been gathered by municipalities very easily, but instead this tender came from the provincial government.
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In the meantime, of course, the real question is what it has been for several months: will the NPA act on evidence from the Zondo Commission, and if so, when? While there have been repeated comments from NPA head Shamila Batohi that progress is being made in these investigations, there are some signs that public patience is running out. She may now herself start to face more pressure to act; it is entirely possible that some groups start to very publicly preparing for private prosecutions in some cases. Only she can answer that question, and until she does, the politics of our time is likely to be dominated by doubt in Ramaphosa’s state ability to deal with corruption.
Flames are starting to lick at the man in the asbestos suit, Ace Magashule
The real question is what it has been for several months – (when) will the National Prosecuting Authority act on ample evidence given against Ace Magashule and others at the Zondo Commission?
It has been suggested many times that the dominant political dynamic within the African National Congress (ANC) at the moment is the complicated relationship between the leader of the party, President Cyril Ramaphosa, and its Secretary-General, Ace Magashule. This is a relationship of a constant conflict whose balance of power appears to ebb and flow with the factions’ tides. Within this dynamic is also the spectre of the real possibility of criminal charges being laid against Magashule. The testimony that was heard at the Zondo Commission last week, and his response to it, may well suggest that that moment is coming closer, which would radically change the balance of power. It is well known that our politics moves impossibly quickly. Last week, news editors would have had to make hard decisions between the unexpected death of Gavin Watson, Zandile Gumede’s decision to resign, and then rescind her resignation as Ethekwini mayor, and the flood of damaging information coming out of the Zondo Commission. In the fullness of time, it might well be that the most important information that came to light was actually that which concerns Magashule. On the stand was the former Free State Economic Development MEC Mxolisi Dukwana. He is well known for his opposition to Magashule; he had previously explained how Magashule had taken him to Saxonwold to meet the Guptas. But his testimony last week was more shocking, and backed up by documentary evidence. To sum it up, Dukwana says there is email correspondence that shows that Magashule received a R10-million payment as part of a tender that saw roofs in the Free State being checked to see if they contained asbestos. The total tender was for R255-million which meant that to check 300,000 dwellings would cost R850 per house. And yet, as Dukwana explained, it appears the sum was done backwards; the starting amount was R255-million and that was then divided by R850 to arrive at the number of 300,000 houses. He also testified that this information could have been gathered by municipalities very easily, but instead this tender came from the provincial government.
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In the meantime, of course, the real question is what it has been for several months: will the NPA act on evidence from the Zondo Commission, and if so, when? While there have been repeated comments from NPA head Shamila Batohi that progress is being made in these investigations, there are some signs that public patience is running out. She may now herself start to face more pressure to act; it is entirely possible that some groups start to very publicly preparing for private prosecutions in some cases. Only she can answer that question, and until she does, the politics of our time is likely to be dominated by doubt in Ramaphosa’s state ability to deal with corruption.
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Gordon_R
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Ace sounded just like Showerhead in an interview yesterday, as if the legal process was happening in a far distant universe, for which he had no personal responsibility.
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if Ace goes to jail, then he'll conduct his business from his cell, and he'll be virtually untouchable.
Sideshow Bob
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What are you doing on these forums?
