State capture inquiry begins

FatBoySlim said:
If nobody is going to land up in jail after all of this , what's the point.
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A lot of people deserve some recompense for trying to hold back the Zuptas: https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/art...eers-ruined-lives-uprooted-finances-depleted/

News this week that the State will pick up former SARS commissioner Tom Moyane’s legal costs in his aborted defamation suit against former spokesperson Adrian Lackay begs the question of what to do about the lengthy list of officials illegally hounded out of their jobs – in the DPCI and SARS to name just two – and who had to defend themselves, their careers and their livelihoods, out of their own pockets
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The list of those who suffered professional and personal collateral damage due to the abuse of power and state resources in the State Capture project is long.

It includes Anwa Dramat, Shadrack Sibiya, Robert McBride, Johan Booysen, Pravin Gordhan, Ivan Pillay, Johann van Loggerenberg, Glynis Breytenbach, Paul O’Sullivan, Matthews Sesoko, DPCI officer Simon Maponyane, Adrian Lackay, and many more.
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The modus operandi by the NPA with regard to these cases appears to have been to decide to prosecute, sit by and idly watch as a lengthy and costly court process unfolded, only to withdraw later. It most certainly appears as if there is a malicious attempt at hurting those falsely charged in their bank accounts, the most effective way of screwing the small-ish guy.
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Private companies like Hogan Lovells, KPMG, Werksmans, Bain and many others who aided and abetted the Zuma political project, have been seriously exposed for their willingness to put profit above professionalism. At least we know that this sector, in future, might not be so willing to collude with the deplorables.
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TelkomUseless said:
I understand the people need to be re-instated etc, recouping their cost for defending themselves.

But now, this inquiry is going to cost the tax people (us) MORE money (paying for the victims). And Nobody is going to be prosecuted/jailed.
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Stopping the rot is as important, and sometimes easier than sending people to jail. Sometimes expensive lessons have to be learned, rather than waiting for another disastrous waste of money.

You can't take action to change the system, until you understand the weaknesses. In this case a centralised executive, with weak parliamentary oversight, and limited voter accountability, have exposed a deep democratic deficit.
 
TelkomUseless said:
I understand the people need to be re-instated etc, recouping their cost for defending themselves.

But now, this inquiry is going to cost the tax people (us) MORE money (paying for the victims). And Nobody is going to be prosecuted/jailed.

Fcking A /s
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You can't really know if they'll not prosecute anyone or not. The commission, at least in theory, has the power to recommend prosecutions. After that it falls to the NPA on how they proceed forward. It may well be that people will be prosecuted and the fact that the work of the commission will only be completed well after the elections makes it a bit more likely that some big fish could be prosecuted. All depending on whether the Hawks and NPA can be sorted out for a change.
 
NarrowBandFtw said:
Speaking of the NPA, CR had 3 months to pick a new head, basically only one month left ... seems there's no rush.
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Or maybe he is just applying his mind properly to this appointment, we've had plenty of issues with this position before, I'd rather he takes all the 3 months and come up with a good name.
 
thechamp said:
Or maybe he is just applying his mind properly to this appointment, we've had plenty of issues with this position before, I'd rather he takes all the 3 months and come up with a good name.
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He knew this day was coming since before Zuma was ousted and he was still deputy president. Many were expecting that he already had a name ready due to having months of advance notice, this latest 3 month period shouldn't even have been necessary.
 
EFF slams Nene’s ‘extremely arrogant’ ‘lies’ at Zondo inquiry

An EFF statement accused the finance minister of being ‘unethical’ and ‘dishonest’ in claiming to have responded to the party’s correspondence.
The Economic Freedom Fighters (EFF) have released a statement in which they declare that they are “shocked” by what they call finance minister Nhlanhla Nene’s “dishonest testimony” at the commission of inquiry into state capture chaired by Deputy Chief Justice Raymond Zondo.

Specifically, the party says that while Nene asserts at the inquiry that he had responded to EFF correspondence addressing their allegations of him being involved in state capture as well as the interference at the Public Investment Corporation (PIC), this is a lie.

According to the statement, the EFF wrote a letter to Nene on May 22 that he claimed he responded to at the inquiry. They claim he did not in fact respond.

The party further alleges that they approached the standing committee on finance, who ruled that Nene had ten working days to respond which he apparently did not do. They also say they sent him a text message which he ignored. In the statement, they label the minister “extremely arrogant” for his alleged refusal to respond.
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More at: https://citizen.co.za/news/south-af...enes-extremely-arrogant-lies-at-zondo-inquiry
 
The red berets are threatening to open cans of worm on Nene. I'd love to know what they know. Hope it isn't just more chants of WMC against Pravin and Nene, but it does look like Nene has at least lied in the past with regards to his relations with the Guptas.
 
Interesting perspective: https://www.dailymaverick.co.za/opi...us-of-the-importance-of-good-public-servants/

One positive by-product of the ongoing commissions of inquiry into State Capture and SARS is a renewed awareness of the crucial role that individual bureaucrats play at every level of government.
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At the same time, many of the worst examples of State Capture were made possible by the outsourcing of crucial functions of the state to external consulting firms and middlemen. The astounding manipulation of state-owned enterprises and government agencies by McKinsey & Co, Bain, and other unprincipled firms has highlighted both the potential for grand looting by greedy consultants and the shoddiness and exorbitant cost of their work even where no crimes are committed.
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For a young South African with a university education and postgraduate qualifications, entry points into the public service are unclear. Jobs at the very bottom of the ladder are menial and poorly paid, while jobs at any higher level are occupied predominantly by political appointees.
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There is much that can be done to change this. India, for example, has a highly successful system called the Indian Administrative Service (IAS) in which graduates write a very difficult exam to be placed in management roles across the civil service.
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BlackMamba said:
SA public sector is super corrupt... Promotions are given to close friends and ANC people
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Too much discretion to high ranking officials and political heads, it is costing us. The discretion to buy super expensive cars as long as it complies with some ministerial handbook, employ more people than it is necessary, wiavers to get their friends and family through even if they don't have the necessary qualifications, the discretion give contracts to your preferred companies without a public tender, we need more rigid rules and regulations, less discretion since our officials have shown that they can never be trusted.
 
#StateCaptureInquiry: Hogan, Gordhan testimony postponed until mid November

Chairperson of the judicial commission of inquiry into state capture, Deputy Chief Justice Raymond Zondo has granted a request by the commission's legal team to postpone the testimony of former minister of public enterprises Barbara Hogan and Minister Pravin Gordhan until mid-November.
Hogan's testimony was supposed to be heard before the commission on Wednesday morning while Gordhan was meant to testify on Friday.
Advocate Thandi Norman from the legal team told Zondo that Hogan's statement was only received on Monday and that they were expecting to receive Gordhan's statement on Thursday.
Norman said the legal team did not have enough time to notify the implicated persons to prepare their own versions.
However, former president Jacob Zuma's lawyer, advocate Daniel Mantsha argued that they have been notified of Zuma's alleged implication in Hogan's statement.
Timing
Mantsha raised the issue of timing and also questioned why two statements have been filed by Hogan.
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More at: https://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/...stimony-postponed-until-mid-november-20181010
 
Worth waiting a few days to hear this: https://www.timeslive.co.za/news/so...ra-hogan-to-testify-at-state-capture-inquiry/

In 2016 she was interviewed by then public protector Thuli Madonsela. Her statement formed an integral part of Madonsela’s State of Capture report.

In the interview‚ Hogan said Zuma and then ANC secretary-general Gwede Mantashe “took interest” in her mandate to make appointments on the boards of various state-owned entities like Eskom‚ Transnet and Denel.
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In the interview‚ Hogan also described a state visit to India in 2010‚ when she noticed that members of the Gupta family had allegedly “taken over control of the proceedings and were appearing to be directing the programme”.
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Zondo commission: Banks subpoenaed to hand over Gupta details - report

Four banks have been subpoenaed to hand over details of transactions involving the Guptas and any state-owned entities, a report said on Sunday.
Absa, Standard Bank, First National Bank and Nedbank have all been ordered to hand over the information to the Zondo commission of inquiry into state capture, the Sunday Times reported.
Commission spokesperson Reverend Mbuyiselo Stemela confirmed to the newspaper that the banks were asked to provide the documentation.

Absa, Standard Bank and First National Bank confirmed that they would comply, while Nedbank declined to confirm the subpoena, citing the ongoing nature of the commission's investigation.
The newspaper also reported that the Bank of Baroda - which continued to work with the Guptas after the other banks closed their accounts - would be summoned by the commission.
The Zondo commission claimed the first major scalp this month when Nhlanhla Nene resigned as finance minister following his testimony at the inquiry.
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More at: https://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/...ed-to-hand-over-gupta-details-report-20181021
 
Ajay Gupta on 'witch hunt': 'I want to clear my name'

State capture accused Ajay Gupta says he and his family have done nothing wrong and that he wants to clear his name.
Speaking to The New York Times in Dubai, the eldest Gupta brother said the allegations made at the Zondo commission of inquiry into state capture were false.
These include accusations that the Guptas offered ministerial positions in return for favours.
Gupta told The New York Times: "I'm not saying that I'm not coming to the commission… I will, but not at this moment."
Gupta reportedly said the family was "caught in the crossfire" between ANC factions and their business allies.
Victims of a 'witch hunt'
Gupta claimed the family was the victim of a "witch hunt" by "politically motivated law-enforcement authorities".
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More at: https://www.news24.com/SouthAfrica/News/ajay-gupta-on-witch-hunt-i-want-to-clear-my-name-20181022
 
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