State capture inquiry begins

TelkomUseless said:
Okay. Maybe I'm too pessimistic. Lets see
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I don't think you are. Bigwigs (top government/party cadres) and rich people can frustrate the process by lodging multiple objections and adopting different tactics.

tbh, I have resigned to the fact that zumas & guptas will face no consequences (although for different reasons).

I know it sounds naive but in software terms, if one inherits a s/w product that is integrated into multiple systems and has huge number of flaws, it is near to impossible to fix it unless you put enormous amount of good resources (devs) to rebuild it and even then that would take time. And if you are told that you have to take current devs as part of development, then you are basically screwed..

I view our situation like that inherited software. Thousands of corrupt people and not everyone can be thrown off the team.. Much more complicated than software. I just hope NPA does its job, at least the team has competency.
 
surface said:
I don't think you are. Bigwigs (top government/party cadres) and rich people can frustrate the process by lodging multiple objections and adopting different tactics.

tbh, I have resigned to the fact that zumas & guptas will face no consequences (although for different reasons).

I know it sounds naive but in software terms, if one inherits a s/w product that is integrated into multiple systems and has huge number of flaws, it is near to impossible to fix it unless you put enormous amount of good resources (devs) to rebuild it and even then that would take time. And if you are told that you have to take current devs as part of development, then you are basically screwed..

I view our situation like that inherited software. Thousands of corrupt people and not everyone can be thrown off the team.. Much more complicated than software. I just hope NPA does its job, at least the team has competency.
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My problem on this forum has always been dishonesty, when the dishonesty is pointed out it's usually followed with moving of goalposts or some rant that has nothing to do with the topic.

We cannot complain about the lack of prosecutions from state capture and then when the prosecution do happen we want to dismiss and discredit that, progress should be acknowledged, no matter how small, but to some people it would seem like you are asking them to sing the praises of the ANC or something.
 
TheChamp said:
But isn't that moving goal posts?
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I disagree. The goal post here, is for Magashule to go to jail. That will never happen. Before you say he needs to be found guilty first, that won't happen because the status quo is to frustrate the courts and have endless postponements - there will never be a time where a sentence is handed down to Magashule. Look at Zuma... how long ago was the arms deal saga? Still, zero consequences for that... and there never will be.

Hence I say, status quo maintained. Magashule even told the media "not to worry too much about the constitution" - because he is above it.
 
hmm.. I wonder if CIC is gonna offer a rescue plan .. CIC & Zuma working for best interest of the country - I am sure I got "country" definition completely wrong.

www.news24.com

Spilling the tea: Zuma and Malema plan a tea party on Twitter | News24

Former president Jacob Zuma and EFF leader Julius Malema will be sharing a cup of tea this weekend, based on an exchange between the two on Twitter.
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Tander said:
I disagree. The goal post here, is for Magashule to go to jail. That will never happen. Before you say he needs to be found guilty first, that won't happen because the status quo is to frustrate the courts and have endless postponements - there will never be a time where a sentence is handed down to Magashule. Look at Zuma... how long ago was the arms deal saga? Still, zero consequences for that... and there never will be.

Hence I say, status quo maintained. Magashule even told the media "not to worry too much about the constitution" - because he is above it.
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Let's just say you barged into my conversation with TelkomUseless with your alternative goalposts, because clearly our goalposts was prosecution arising from the Zondo commission, fair enough?
 
surface said:
hmm.. I wonder if CIC is gonna offer a rescue plan .. CIC & Zuma working for best interest of the country - I am sure I got "country" definition completely wrong.

www.news24.com

Spilling the tea: Zuma and Malema plan a tea party on Twitter | News24

Former president Jacob Zuma and EFF leader Julius Malema will be sharing a cup of tea this weekend, based on an exchange between the two on Twitter.
www.news24.com www.news24.com

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I do find it funny and suspicious them talking in public forum. Why not just phone JZ.. email him...

Trying to gather support I presume. Malema probably wants JZ's supporters...
 
Moosedrool said:
https://twitter.com/x/status/1357003940236300289

A greedy criminal who wrecked this country and a deranged racist psycopath who is causing some of the worst divisions I've seen in this country are being praised for their apparent contribution.
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I see their supporters in the same light as those americans that stormed the capital. Ours is just dumber, because they can't think for themselves (see how corrupt JZ/EFF is). Ours has billions stolen from them, yet they think JZ is the chief...
 
TelkomUseless said:
After all this money... will we ever get prosecutions going (not the small fishes..)
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I would like to answer that if I may. NO.

The longer answer is, simply look at who is being called to testify and ask yourself why people like the SG or president himself havent been called yet, despite being implicated by quite a few witnesses. Sure they have called Zuma, but he is merely a scapegoat who has fallen out of favour. This whole thing is a farce and a witch hunt to get rid of political black sheep.

I wouldnt mind (let the rats turn on each other) if I (tax payer) wasnt funding the circus.
 
Tander said:
I disagree. The goal post here, is for Magashule to go to jail. That will never happen. Before you say he needs to be found guilty first, that won't happen because the status quo is to frustrate the courts and have endless postponements - there will never be a time where a sentence is handed down to Magashule. Look at Zuma... how long ago was the arms deal saga? Still, zero consequences for that... and there never will be.

Hence I say, status quo maintained. Magashule even told the media "not to worry too much about the constitution" - because he is above it.
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Well said, even if it was to someone who is simply going to troll you for it now.
 
profa said:
I would like to answer that if I may. NO.

The longer answer is, simply look at who is being called to testify and ask yourself why people like the SG or president himself havent been called yet, despite being implicated by quite a few witnesses. Sure they have called Zuma, but he is merely a scapegoat who has fallen out of favour. This whole thing is a farce and a witch hunt to get rid of political black sheep.

I wouldnt mind (let the rats turn on each other) if I (tax payer) wasnt funding the circus.
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The black sheep is fighting back lol!!

But I do agree. If ANC doesn't start fighting corruption (firing , prosecuting etc their own)... it's worth nothing.
 
TelkomUseless said:
I do find it funny and suspicious them talking in public forum. Why not just phone JZ.. email him...

Trying to gather support I presume. Malema probably wants JZ's supporters...
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Actually, they are being transparent, don't you think? I am not saying they have good intentions behind this transparency.
 
www.iol.co.za

Zondo wants ANC to explain how billions were stolen under its watch

Commission chairperson Deputy Chief Justice Raymond Zondo said the governing party would appear before the inquiry and is co-operating and filing affidavits.
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Johannesburg - The ANC will appear before the commission of inquiry into state capture to explain how billions of rands were stolen from government departments and state-owned entities under its watch.

Commission chairperson Deputy Chief Justice Raymond Zondo on Thursday said the governing party would appear before the inquiry and is co-operating and filing affidavits.
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Don't really see the point. They just gonna say they don't tolerate corruption blah blah blah apartheid, wmc, Jan blah blah blah...
 
ponder said:
www.iol.co.za

Zondo wants ANC to explain how billions were stolen under its watch

Commission chairperson Deputy Chief Justice Raymond Zondo said the governing party would appear before the inquiry and is co-operating and filing affidavits.
www.iol.co.za www.iol.co.za



Don't really see the point. They just gonna say they don't tolerate corruption blah blah blah apartheid, wmc, Jan blah blah blah...
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Yip.. And corruption is western concept. The chiefs don't steal, they can take anything from anyone.
 
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