State capture inquiry begins

TheChamp said:
South Africa's ANC? What an odd heading.
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International article, a foreigner isn't immediately going to think of the congress when they see the abbreviation ANC.

They may think of ante-nuptial contracts, which is the sort of ANC that can prevent looting.
 
3WA said:
International article, a foreigner isn't immediately going to think of the congress when they see the abbreviation ANC.

They may think of ante-nuptial contracts, which is the sort of ANC that can prevent looting.
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Space is limited I guess because it still sound odd, the heading is just not captivating enough.
 
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I don't know if it is just my pessimism but I see very little evidence of criminality in the evidence and testimony being presented at this commission. A lot of allegations of mismanagement but nothing a prosecution/investigators could use. Even Norma's evidence doesn't look prosecutable - he got cash/got influenced but that doesn't necessary have the motivation. Maybe the Guptas were just good guys who enjoyed handing over bags of cash to their friends. And it seems the likes of Malusi and Singh took cash (at least for local spending) so that it can't be traced for tax prosecution so that avenue wouldn't wash either.

The likely outcome in my eyes is that the commission writes a book on how and what the state must do to fix controls against a recurrence. And in the end the bad guys get away with their offshore stashes and hidden cash deposit boxes.
 
R13... said:
I don't know if it is just my pessimism but I see very little evidence of criminality in the evidence and testimony being presented at this commission. A lot of allegations of mismanagement but nothing a prosecution/investigators could use. Even Norma's evidence doesn't look prosecutable - he got cash/got influenced but that doesn't necessary have the motivation. Maybe the Guptas were just good guys who enjoyed handing over bags of cash to their friends. And it seems the likes of Malusi and Singh took cash (at least for local spending) so that it can't be traced for tax prosecution so that avenue wouldn't wash either.

The likely outcome in my eyes is that the commission writes a book on how and what the state must do to fix controls against a recurrence. And in the end the bad guys get away with their offshore stashes and hidden cash deposit boxes.
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I agree. Like all other failed commissions from beginning of democracy, this was just a PR exercise. They couldn't even get the main perpetrators (zuma & guptas) to answer anything. Spectacular failure.

p.s. I reckon there would be some prosecutions but I doubt if it would be as a direct result of zondo commission testimonies.
 
He's corrupt as **** no doubt and lying about his part in it but he's right the ANC are the fundamental problem. They do coopt these deployed cadres who then see it as permission to stuff own pocket while doing some ANC "fundraising" on the side.

www.iol.co.za

Ex-Prasa head Lucky Montana calls out ANC for feeding Zondo Commission lies

The former Prasa group chief executive said the ANC leadership had pretended to support the commission but did not assist to solve the fundamental problem.
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He said the ANC leadership had pretended to support the commission but did not assist to solve the fundamental problem.

He alleged the ANC used public funds via its connections to state-owned enterprises (SOEs) to bankroll the party and its activities.
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This sounds good but I wish someone would audit and release names. Surely, if these are convictions, releasing the names is not a legal issue?

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NPA 'on the brink' of significant inroads into state capture cases - Batohi | News24

The National Director of Public Prosecutions, Shamila Batohi, addressed the Portfolio Committee on Justice and Correctional Services on Friday.
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In the 2019-2020 financial year, the NPA had a 92.3% conviction rate for complex corruption cases, convicting 233 people from the private sector on corruption, and 183 from the government. The following year, the conviction rate was 93%, in which 150 people from the private sector and 220 government officials were convicted. These numbers are unaudited.
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surface said:
This sounds good but I wish someone would audit and release names. Surely, if these are convictions, releasing the names is not a legal issue?

www.news24.com

NPA 'on the brink' of significant inroads into state capture cases - Batohi | News24

The National Director of Public Prosecutions, Shamila Batohi, addressed the Portfolio Committee on Justice and Correctional Services on Friday.
www.news24.com www.news24.com
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I think with everything likely to be turned into some political conspiracy they are taking extra precautions.
 
surface said:
This sounds good but I wish someone would audit and release names. Surely, if these are convictions, releasing the names is not a legal issue?

www.news24.com

NPA 'on the brink' of significant inroads into state capture cases - Batohi | News24

The National Director of Public Prosecutions, Shamila Batohi, addressed the Portfolio Committee on Justice and Correctional Services on Friday.
www.news24.com www.news24.com
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Uhm, I see they say corruption, but isn't it their general conviction rate? Here is the important conundrum, the conviction rate isn't equal to the success chance. When this same conviction rate was scrutinised a year or so ago, it was stated that the NPA only takes on cases where they have determined an 80% success chance.

Here is the article, well, this is a Daily Maverick piece,

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Researchers warn the NPA’s conviction numbers mask a less impressive reality

The National Prosecuting Authority boasts a very impressive conviction rate — more than 90%. But does this figure accurately reflect the reality? Researchers at the Africa Criminal Justice Reform unit…
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For one thing, the fact that NPA performance is measured so heavily on conviction rate provides a perverse incentive for prosecutors not to take on cases where there are limited prospects of succeeding.

“The NPA is not prosecuting cases even with an over 80% chance of success,” Redpath said.

It is particularly easy for prosecutors to decline to take on certain cases because no authorisation is required for this decision. In a paper recently published by Muntingh and Redpath, they point out that permission to prosecute certain crimes has to be obtained from senior prosecutors – but withdrawing cases requires no such permission.

“Current prosecution policy directives set by the NDPP [National Director of Public Prosecutions] requires that prosecutors obtain approval from senior prosecutors for certain more serious prosecutions of certain categories of officials, primarily senior officials working in the criminal justice system, including law enforcement, prosecutors, magistrates and police,” they write.

The fact that such cases can be dropped without authorisation “makes it much easier to decide not to prosecute rather than to prosecute”.

The researchers suggest that it should become a requirement for the NDPP to report to Parliament on all decisions taken to prosecute or not prosecute state officials.

Another worrying aspect is the growing number of cases which the NPA is reporting as being resolved via “informal mediation”.
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so do take the conviction rate as an PR exercise.
 
R13... said:
He's corrupt as **** no doubt and lying about his part in it but he's right the ANC are the fundamental problem. They do coopt these deployed cadres who then see it as permission to stuff own pocket while doing some ANC "fundraising" on the side.

www.iol.co.za

Ex-Prasa head Lucky Montana calls out ANC for feeding Zondo Commission lies

The former Prasa group chief executive said the ANC leadership had pretended to support the commission but did not assist to solve the fundamental problem.
www.iol.co.za www.iol.co.za
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Shocked... ANC using SEO's for keeping their wallets full.

It looks like it was a good choice to become a freedom "fighter"... Unlimited power and money.
 
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