State capture inquiry begins

Fulcrum29 said:
Yes, but the onus is on the state to pursue these prosecutions. Like Solidariteit, the DA is taking the initiative, but why do they need to take the initiative when this responsibility is on the state? The public needs to question this, knowing that there is existing cooperation,

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DA welcomes long-overdue regulations allowing Zondo Commission to share information with law-enforcement agencies

The Democratic Alliance (DA) welcomes the long-overdue amendments to regulations which now allows the Zondo Commission of Inquiry into State Capture to share information, records or documents directly with any state law-enforcement agency in South Africa. The ball is now in the court of the...
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the police and intelligence services, and the NPA, have no excuse to delay.
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We know how it goes with our justice system. I mean the 12 conspirators behind the July Riots last year weren't even prosecuted?

So, sorry that I don't trust the state to do anything unless forced/encouraged.
Fulcrum29 said:
Hope? It must, but their cases are likely to be taken under a collective consideration, however, the DA have opened cases against all who are implicated to this point. I think Mazzone said 34 or 44, I can't remember.
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Cool, and I agree that it must. But you never know...
 
TheChamp said:
being implicated doesn't make you guilty
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It kinda does in an informal way? I mean if you were implicated in doing something, then chances are quite high that you did do it?
TheChamp said:
we should not let the fact that Zondo commission was not a court escape us, so at best those implicated have cases to answer to.
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Everyone knows it's not a court but the findings are just too damning (in fact it confirmed what many knew/suspected for years), at this point the cases themselves can be considered formalities with the sheer volume of evidence against the implicated in that report alone.
 
PrimeSteak said:
It kinda does in an informal way? I mean if you were implicated in doing something, then chances are quite high that you did do it?

Everyone knows it's not a court but the findings are just too damning (in fact it confirmed what many knew/suspected for years), at this point the cases themselves can be considered formalities with the sheer volume of evidence against the implicated in that report alone.
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Unfortunately not, unless you haven't been following how court cases work.

If you remove the sensationalist news headlines and reporting you will find that there is still a lot of work to be done on those cases and putting a solid case before a judge is not as easy as it sounds, look at the manner in which Vytjie Mentoor crumbled at the commission and couldn't remember names and ask yourself what would have happened in court with the defence lawyers grilling her.
 
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PrimeSteak said:
We know how it goes with our justice system. I mean the 12 conspirators behind the July Riots last year weren't even prosecuted?

So, sorry that I don't trust the state to do anything unless forced/encouraged.

Cool, and I agree that it must. But you never know...
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You mean the 12 escape goats who were chosen to try obfuscate the high ranking anc officials who were actually behind it?
 
The state capture continues ...

The Master’s Office – probably one of the most powerful institutions in the country that you rarely, if ever, think of. It’s here that deceased, insolvent estates and trusts are processed. But something has been amiss in the liquidations division, and recently two high-ranking officials were suspended in the Master’s Office in Pretoria. Simply doing their jobs, they say their suspensions are based on trumped-up charges and allege there are powerful political forces that want them gone. Carte Blanche goes in search of answers as more high-profile state capture companies fold.
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I am a bit concerned at the moment, especially now with the political moves made against Zondo. Something is brewing at the JSC and SCA. The EFF is making a big play, and it won't bode addressing state capture any good.
 
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Opposition parties lobby for a separate State Capture parliamentary committee

Opposition parties in Parliament have urged Speaker Nosiviwe Mapisa-Nqakula to exclude the ANC from any committees that will look into allegations of State Capture against MPs.
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Opposition parties lobby for a separate State Capture parliamentary committee​

Opposition parties in Parliament have urged Speaker Nosiviwe Mapisa-Nqakula to exclude the ANC from any committees that will look into allegations of State Capture against MPs.​

n their first meeting with National Assembly Speaker Nosiviwe Mapisa-Nqakula, opposition party representatives suggested that a committee be established to deal solely with State Capture. They took a firm stance that the ANC be excluded from the structure as its members are implicated in the State Capture report.

Party representatives in attendance felt it would be unfair for the governing party to be included as it would be likely to have the most seats in the committee. They also said it was not fair for the ANC to be referee and player in the committees as this would result in many of its members not being held accountable.

They appealed to the Speaker to act swiftly in establishing a separate committee that would focus on State Capture, adding that Parliament’s joint ethics committee would need to be assisted.

They held a meeting with Mapisa-Nqakula on Wednesday afternoon to discuss concerns about the workings of Parliament. Representatives from the African Transformation Movement, Al Jama-ah, Congress of the People, DA, EFF, Freedom Front Plus, IFP, National Freedom Party and United Democratic Movement were part of the discussions.

President Cyril Ramaphosa has been mandated to submit an implementation plan to Parliament in response to the State Capture report. However, the sentiment at the meeting was that the National Assembly should go ahead with its own plan.

The Speaker did not say which direction she would take, but reiterated that she had already sent letters to those implicated to inform them that the joint ethics committee would conduct a probe.
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In my view, Cyril should still be mandated to submit an implementation plan, the National Assembly's sentiment shouldn’t impact this at all, directions are needed.

More commissions... It is probably the right thing to do since the state which can't be separated is being indecisive, but say this new commission also has members with shared interests involving state capture or those who are implicated?

All I can see is colossal resources being wasted.
 
Fulcrum29 said:
In my view, Cyril should still be mandated to submit an implementation plan, the National Assembly's sentiment shouldn’t impact this at all, directions are needed.
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It seems like it's a commission for state capture specifically for Parly and involved MPs?
Fulcrum29 said:
More commissions... It is probably the right thing to do since the state which can't be separated is being indecisive, but say this new commission also has members with shared interests involving state capture or those who are implicated?
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Well, if the ANC is excluded then I don't see that there'll be any/many members who do have such agendas?

All in all, I see it as a good thing, if the opposition parties can handle it, then I think we might go somewhere.
 
Priapus said:
Why do you feel it's a good idea for them to be included?
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Any party that is represented in parliament has all the right to take part in parliamentary activities, so it is not really a question of me thinking its a good or a bad idea, it's more a question of people wanting to bend and change the rules as they go along, depending on how convenient or inconvenient the rules are.
 
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TheChamp said:
Any party that is represented in parliament has all the right to take part in parliamentary activities, so it is not really a question of me thinking its a good or a bad idea, it's more a question of people wanting to bend and change the rules as they go along, depending on how convenient or inconvenient the rules are.
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That's a fair point.
 
TheChamp said:
The part about the ANC being excluded from state capture committees?
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I am in the view that the President must remain mandated to submitting an implementation plan. I don’t support another commission being established, but clearly, there is uncertainty amongst the parties, so be it. The question is who elects the commission, and how will the commission be made up? Ramaphosa is the executive, his implementation plan could be supplementary.

In reality, it is the NPA who needs to have an action plan, and now they need (?) to wait on an ethics committee? They should proceed, and the state and its party representatives would need to act accordingly. The last thing I want to see is a collision with state interests.

Everything which state or remotely state related is a delay.
 
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