Steers nutritional info

[scotty777]

Killa, if you don't live someone else's life you can't comment on what is or isn't rubbish. And there's more than one way of having a healthy, balanced diet that leads to weight loss.

but for the life of me, I can't see that healthy diet include all those take-outs

 

[CathJ]

but for the life of me, I can't see that healthy diet include all those take-outs

All what take-outs? As I said further up, if you're eating a healthy balanced diet during the week, a single take out over the weekend is not going to be a problem.

If you're having take aways every day, then yes, it's not healthy. But that's not what I'm talking about.

 

[Jase]

Yes but surely that is a good thing, do you want 1/3 of our population being over weight and 1/5 being obese?

Sorry but when you see some of those kids in America i feel very sorry for them because they get brought into a society where eating out is cheaper and easier, thus from a young age they are fat.

My family has never struggled for money but we never eat out more than once a week and the rest of days we cook our own food. Take-out should be a treat.

For sure, I totally agree. I work with a few Americans and they are not small to say in the least!

And they always seem to be nibbling on something sweet / creamy etc.

Look at China for another prime example. Prior to Mikey D's opening up there, the kids were all Kung Fu movie material ... nowdays they all look like Michelin Men.

 

[scotty777]

For sure, I totally agree. I work with a few Americans and they are not small to say in the least!

And they always seem to be nibbling on something sweet / creamy etc.

Look at China for another prime example. Prior to Mikey D's opening up there, the kids were all Kung Fu movie material ... nowdays they all look like Michelin Men.

yeah, you can't pig out once a week if you trying to lose weight, you must keep to a strict diet, and go through with it... once you at your ideal weight, then you may have a burger or two, but as long as you manage your weight properly and EXERCISE!!!!! it's all good and well dieting, but if you don't freaking exercise then you not actually being healthy...

 

[CathJ]

yeah, you can't pig out once a week if you trying to lose weight, you must keep to a strict diet, and go through with it... once you at your ideal weight, then you may have a burger or two, but as long as you manage your weight properly and EXERCISE!!!!! it's all good and well dieting, but if you don't freaking exercise then you not actually being healthy...

Yes, because having one take away is pigging out...

You must be an expert nutritionist, though to be saying all this with such sureness? And a psychologist specialising in emotions and food, to simply rule out the motivational factor of a once-a-week treat? And with a great knowledge of the human metabolism, to say that if you have a treat once a week you won't lose weight?

 

[killadoob]

Killa, if you don't live someone else's life you can't comment on what is or isn't rubbish. And there's more than one way of having a healthy, balanced diet that leads to weight loss.

Well if you are not working 18 hours a day you can find time to cook, has nothing to do with me living someone's life but many people say o i work 10 hours a day spending half an hour cooking is too much, let me go suck down some take-out, then they moan they are fat.

Your weight is generally a reflection on how you eat. Eat badly your fattie, eat well you won't be a fatty. Ok in the few cases like scotties he can eat what he likes. Find time to cook was my point and i never said anything about living someone else's life.Most food does not require hours of preparation, a few minutes preparing the rest is the oven or microwave.

Scotty is correct, pigging out once a week won't help, he meant as in eating as much as you can because you know its your day to eat rubbish. You seem to be taking what people say very hard and not fully understanding what they mean. You cannot eat well for 6 days and then go grab a pizza for lunch and rack of ribs for dinner, also do not rely on food alone to drop weight, burn the fat off and help by exercising. Buy an orbitrek and gooi it a bit during a program or something. Scotty said pig out not a treat once a week, pig out. If someone has a weight problem i would say they will not last a week without sneaking a few treats so the orbitrek could help when someone is naughty during the week . remember also it is not just food that makes you fat.

Water water and more water would ideal for losing weight . I went through a stage of my heavy beer drinking days when i picked 10kgs and i lost it by having a good healthy breakie, fruit and salad the rest of the day and ate my normal meal for dinner, jogging/bike riding and i stopped drinking tea/coffee and any kind of liquid apart from water. Of course i had the odd day when i had a chocolate or a bag of chips but i never pigged out and that is key. Eating in moderation and healthy.

 

[CathJ]

No killa, I understand what they mean, and I'm only taking it hard because when someone in matric thinks they know better than dieticians, I get very irritated.

My point about not knowing what other people's lives are like is that you seem to be saying that the only reason for not having time to cook is due to work. My point is that you don't know what other demands people have on their time.

And I still maintain that you (and scotty) don't understand enough about the human metabolism and the variations thereof to be teling people what will and won't work for them. Yes, in general, exercise is good. Yes, in general, unhealthy food is bad. But where the lines are drawn are different for everybody.

And just a so-there: I've spent the last two weeks on weight watchers eating a lot of food, and stil having a couple of treats (some chocolate, a few biscuits a day) and *gasp* I even had steers on saturday night! And a chocolate milkshake on Wednesday! And yet I've lost 3kg. Which doesn't fit into your little ideas of how nutrition works.

All I'm trying to get you guys to admit is that you don't know everything a qualified dietician knows, and that people differ both in terms of metabolism (so that what works for one person is not necessarily the same thing that wil work for another) and in terms of their capacity to modify their lifestyle (both practically, and mentally). And that there are different ways to have a healthy balanced diet.

 

[guest2013-1]

And I still maintain that you (and scotty) don't understand enough about the human metabolism and the variations thereof to be teling people what will and won't work for them. Yes, in general, exercise is good. Yes, in general, unhealthy food is bad. But where the lines are drawn are different for everybody.

That is kind of presumptious of you don't you think? The internet has a wealth of information about the human body and it's metabolism (http://www.howstuffworks.com/) and you can't say for sure what experiences both people have had regarding personal trainers or gym experience (including nutritional education)

So the pot calling the kettle black here?

[edit] and to be honest, I think I know a bit more than a qualified dietician does about the subject (visited one 2 years ago spewing the same **** I already knew). So if you think you have to pay anyone for this kind of information you're wrong. Sure, everyone is different and everyone reacts differently to certain foods etc, but everyone has a metabolism and that can always be corrected. I've seen people blame their thyroid too quickly for stuff like being overweight. Thyroids aren't the cause for gaining weight and in most cases a good shot of "get off your ass and eat less junk" is all that is needed. You'll see those types of people don't bother eating small meals every few hours and they tend to go to these dietician's and pay them good money just to not follow through on this life style change that is required because the basic part of all diets have been ignored.... the human mind

 

[killadoob]

See your putting words in our mouth, we never said you cannot have a few treats, we said do not pig out. The thing is people seem to forget the weight never got their in 2 minutes and won't go away in 2 minutes. All we are saying is eat as well as you can, don't pig out and exercise.

As acid says get off your arse and eat less junk, i cannot for the life of me understand how someone who does not work 18 hours a day cannot make their own food. Explain to me why someone who works 10 hours a day cannot make their own food? What would be some reasons? You cannot lose weight if your not mentally ready for it because losing weight and controlling what you eat is not very easy, so keep on with the shakes, steers and chocolates but don't moan when it takes 4 years to lose 5kgs. You are already failing mentally if you think drinking shakes eating junk and steers is helping you lose weight.

If your serious about losing weight you will not eat more than couple treats a week, if you think you can eat steers and have chocolates and you will lose heavy weight then go for it but i suggest you will fail and after 2-3 months give up because your not seeing results.

3kgs is well done but that could be body fluids lost, it may not be fat which is your target when you have lost 10 or more kgs then come tell me i do not know what i am talking about as that is how much weight i have lost in the last year. Now i am back to optimal weight and maintaining. As much as everyone is different, if your prone to weight and your sucking back steers and milkshakes i do not see much progress for you over a period of a year, if you don't like hearing this than that is because you more than likely know it is true. Remember though it is going be a long haul if you continue to eat rubbish all week, losing the 3kgs is the easy part carrying that on is the hard part and losing those final kgs is the hardest, your not making your life any easier by eating biscuit,chocolates,milkshakes and steers. Try replacing those bad habits with a salad or some fruit and believe me then you will see results like never before add in some exercise and get your mind ready to battle the weight as at the moment i can tell your mind is playing tricks on you .

 

[CathJ]

See your putting words in our mouth, we never said you cannot have a few treats, we said do not pig out. The thing is people seem to forget the weight never got their in 2 minutes and won't go away in 2 minutes. All we are saying is eat as well as you can, don't pig out and exercise.

As acid says get off your arse and eat less junk, i cannot for the life of me understand how someone who does not work 18 hours a day cannot make their own food. Explain to me why someone who works 10 hours a day cannot make their own food? What would be some reasons? You cannot lose weight if your not mentally ready for it because losing weight and controlling what you eat is not very easy, so keep on with the shakes, steers and chocolates but don't moan when it takes 4 years to lose 5kgs. You are already failing mentally if you think drinking shakes eating junk and steers is helping you lose weight.

You seem to be equating a few treats with pigging out, though. If you're not, then fine - I agree with you that pigging out will not help you lose weight at all. But I still maintain that a few treats are not a problem as part of a balanced diet. I'm not saying that eating steers will make you lose weight! I'm saying that if you follow a healthy, balanced diet one steers meal will not throw you off track completely. And clearly it's working for me. I doubt it will take 4 years to lose 5kg when I've already lost 3kg in two weeks....

As for time - again, you don't know what other demands people have on their time. Work is not the only thing that you have to spend time on. There's housework, washing, ironing, therapy, some form of exercise, looking after kids and pets, trying to get a full night's sleep.... and maybe even trying to have a little bit of a social life. You can't be so judgemental, because you don't know what's going in people's lives.

If your serious about losing weight you will not eat more than couple treats a week, if you think you can eat steers and have chocolates and you will lose heavy weight then go for it but i suggest you will fail and after 2-3 months give up because your not seeing results.

You can predict what you like, but you're in direct contradiction with my dietician and therapist. I'll give up a LOT faster if I feel deprived and unable to have a treat now and then.

3kgs is well done but that could be body fluids lost, it may not be fat which is your target when you have lost 10 or more kgs then come tell me i do not know what i am talking about as that is how much weight i have lost in the last year. Now i am back to optimal weight and maintaining. As much as everyone is different, if your prone to weight and your sucking back steers and milkshakes i do not see much progress for you over a period of a year, if you don't like hearing this than that is because you more than likely know it is true. Remember though it is going be a long haul if you continue to eat rubbish all week, losing the 3kgs is the easy part carrying that on is the hard part and losing those final kgs is the hardest, your not making your life any easier by eating biscuit,chocolates,milkshakes and steers. Try replacing those bad habits with a salad or some fruit and believe me then you will see results like never before add in some exercise and get your mind ready to battle the weight as at the moment i can tell your mind is playing tricks on you .

I'm not saying that what you didn't work for you. If you read my post again, what I said is that
a) What works for one person may not work for another, and
b) There a multiple routes to a healthy, balanced diet

And again, you're ignoring the psychological aspect. I'm far happier with a slow but steady weight loss, which FOR ME is sustainable rather than a heavily fruit-based diet which may have worked FOR YOU but wouldn't work FOR ME since I'd give up quite early on.

To think that you know what my mind is doing is incredibly arrogant. And AcidRazor, clearly they don't know much about metabolism if they're not taking into account how it varies from person to person. And your comment that "Thyroids aren't the cause for gaining weight" is flat out wrong. Yes, there are other factors involved as well, but an underactive thyroid can very much be a major cause in weight gain (or at the very least, make weight loss incredibly difficult). It's not a factor in my case, but I do know people for whom it is a factor, and it's not just them claiming it, it's their doctors. But since you already know everything that dieticians know, I guess you also know more than doctors?

And for a final time (this one goes to AcidRazor as well) - I'm not saying that I'm right and you're wrong. I'm saying you can be right and I can be right at the same time, even though we're following different plans.

I think I'm going to abandon this thread, though - I'm just repeating myself. So I'll just pre-empt my next few posts by repeating this part:

a) What works for one person may not work for another, and
b) There a multiple routes to a healthy, balanced diet

 

[killadoob]

Yea but cath when cooking food, the preparation is not long, i do not imagine you sit watching the food boil or cook, you can do multiple things like house work and what not while the food is cooking, unless people sit and watch food boil and cook, i know i don't. I prepare and then while the cooking is being done i can go do other things while checking on the food. Not really hard if you ask me.

Metabolism's will all take the fatty foods you eat and turn them into fat if your not using the energy, you get fast and slow metabolism's, you either have a fast or a slow one and yes if you have a slow one then your like every other person with a slow one and what works for them will work for you, does weigh-less not tell people to do the same thing? How can you tell me i don't know anything but listen to weigh-less who tell their members to do the same thing . The only difference is you listen to them as opposed to other random people.

Does weigh-less give different diets to different people or do they have manual they give out to everyone who decides to that route?

 

[Hoof-Hearted]

There's actually a school of thought that promotes the use of "cheat meals" to increase your fat loss efforts and keep your metabolic rate higher. This is basically planned overeating at certain times while keeping overall weekly calorie intake where it needs to be for fat loss.

The thinking is along these lines : restricting calories for too long causes your body to fight back and reduce your metabolic rate. This is a simple survival tactic because your body thinks a possible famine is on the way so it needs to hold on to your body fat and start conserving calories.

To overcome this effect and keep losing fat, you need to fool your body into thinking that plenty food is available again, and this in turn will pump up your metabolic rate again.

It's all apparently got to do with leptin levels in your body and how "strategically overeating" influences these levels. From what I've read it seems that one day a week pigging out actually contributes to fat loss
Try stay away from trans fats and high sugar content meals though


unfortunately for me my day off appears to have been yesterday (... and sunday ... and saturday )

 

[killadoob]

Well this is the thing hoof, if weight watchers had told cath this i can bet she would believe it. It does make sense to a degree but where i think the logic fails:

If you are starving your body and pigging out once a week it will have a bad effect because all that fat your pigging out on will be stored because your body is in shock, you need to eat healthy and not starve your body that i think is the point of weigh-less. Eat a lot but not excessively.

So basically you cannot trick your body once a week into thinking there is a lot of food, if you eat healthy and do not starve your body it will not go into shock mode and store all the fat, in saying that if you sit and eat healthy and do no exercise your body will store fat as its not getting used, this of course applies to the people with slow metabolism's.

 

[guest2013-1]

There's actually a school of thought that promotes the use of "cheat meals" to increase your fat loss efforts and keep your metabolic rate higher. This is basically planned overeating at certain times while keeping overall weekly calorie intake where it needs to be for fat loss.

The thinking is along these lines : restricting calories for too long causes your body to fight back and reduce your metabolic rate. This is a simple survival tactic because your body thinks a possible famine is on the way so it needs to hold on to your body fat and start conserving calories.

To overcome this effect and keep losing fat, you need to fool your body into thinking that plenty food is available again, and this in turn will pump up your metabolic rate again.

It's all apparently got to do with leptin levels in your body and how "strategically overeating" influences these levels. From what I've read it seems that one day a week pigging out actually contributes to fat loss
Try stay away from trans fats and high sugar content meals though


unfortunately for me my day off appears to have been yesterday (... and sunday ... and saturday )

You should realize a few things:

There's a difference between cheat meals and planned overeating.
Diets restricting calories are wrong. Sure, less calories means you'll lose weight over time because your daily intake is lower, but it has proven that once you start a semi-normal eating habit again you blow up. (I'm testament to that, yo-yo dieting)

Here's the kicker:

Eating more means you'll lose weight faster. Yes. Sit back... close that gaping jaw... and read it again. It's true.

Now by all means I don't mean eating more junk food means you'll lose more weight. It needs to be balanced. And you need daily exercise.

It speeds up your metabolism to insane heights. There is no such thing as a slow metabolism you can't get to work faster.

Reason for it is simple. As soon as you start restricting calories your body goes into starvation mode (same thing happens when you don't eat regularly, like breakfast/lunch/dinner at least). It will then take in and keep what it can while it's in that mode.

It takes around a week or two to condition your body to make it realize that it's definitely going to get food at certain times. (So much so you'll start feeling hungry close to the time)

Combine that with drinking enough water (which has the same effect, if you don't drink enough water your body will keep what water it can in your body) and cutting out sugar from your diet and a brisk 30min walk every morning.... you'll lose like crazy.

Cath, the 3kg's you lost is awesome, but don't get discouraged when it drops to around 1kg per week. Unless you workout daily for an hour on cardio at least, you won't be able to maintain that. You'll also notice it might be water weight (if you're drinking more water)

The most daunting thing of a diet is not to start one, but to continue one. I'll recommend Tom Vento's burn the fat feed the muscle book.

It's not about body building and has useful tips on emotionally and mentally preparing for a task like this. He goes through everything, how sugar affects your body, why it's important to drink more than the recommended daily glasses of water etc.

You can even use the NLP techniques he teaches in every day life, so definitely a great book.

One of the things he teaches is self-speak (NLP). To not tell yourself "I'm going to lose 10kgs this month" because your sub-conscious recognizes the "I'm going to lose" bit. Changing it to "I feel thinner and fitter already" is a more positive self-speak method.

a friend of mine followed his diet (BT6LW, you can find posts from him here) and he eats and drinks like there's no tomorrow. 1 hour gym every day consisting of mostly cardio and he has lost a **** load of weight.

Aim for 1kg a week. That's a healthy slow way of getting rid of the fat. Try not to cheat at all. 1 chocolate could mean your body retains more water and have a bigger "dip" on the "down" when the sugar wears off giving you more chance of falling flat on your face in terms of goals (and Tom goes into detail about goal setting which is awesome!)

good luck

 

[killadoob]

Awesome post and this is exactly how it should be done. I just think one thing may be wrong though, losing 1kg a week may be a bit heavy as i would imagine 1kg or 2 a month is the more likely scenario, of course it depends on how over weight you are. If your only 5kgs over weight you won't lose that weight in 5 weeks for instance but if your 50kgs over weight then it is very possible until a point, those last few kg's are the hardest and longest i found.

 

[guest2013-1]

Awesome post and this is exactly how it should be done. I just think one thing may be wrong though, losing 1kg a week may be a bit heavy as i would imagine 1kg or 2 a month is the more likely scenario, of course it depends on how over weight you are. If your only 5kgs over weight you won't lose that weight in 5 weeks for instance but if your 50kgs over weight then it is very possible until a point, those last few kg's are the hardest and longest i found.

Yea, I hate my body, the less I weigh the harder it is to lose!

 

[greatkaroo]

I think everybody is making a huge issue out of weight losing.

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[|tera|]

If you used less Cocaine you would see this discussion was 2 years ago :wtf:

 

[greatkaroo]

Just a joke >.<

 

[requiem]

You should realize a few things:

There's a difference between cheat meals and planned overeating.
Diets restricting calories are wrong. Sure, less calories means you'll lose weight over time because your daily intake is lower, but it has proven that once you start a semi-normal eating habit again you blow up. (I'm testament to that, yo-yo dieting)

Here's the kicker:

Eating more means you'll lose weight faster. Yes. Sit back... close that gaping jaw... and read it again. It's true.

Now by all means I don't mean eating more junk food means you'll lose more weight. It needs to be balanced. And you need daily exercise.

It speeds up your metabolism to insane heights. There is no such thing as a slow metabolism you can't get to work faster.

Reason for it is simple. As soon as you start restricting calories your body goes into starvation mode (same thing happens when you don't eat regularly, like breakfast/lunch/dinner at least). It will then take in and keep what it can while it's in that mode.

It takes around a week or two to condition your body to make it realize that it's definitely going to get food at certain times. (So much so you'll start feeling hungry close to the time)

Combine that with drinking enough water (which has the same effect, if you don't drink enough water your body will keep what water it can in your body) and cutting out sugar from your diet and a brisk 30min walk every morning.... you'll lose like crazy.

Cath, the 3kg's you lost is awesome, but don't get discouraged when it drops to around 1kg per week. Unless you workout daily for an hour on cardio at least, you won't be able to maintain that. You'll also notice it might be water weight (if you're drinking more water)

The most daunting thing of a diet is not to start one, but to continue one. I'll recommend Tom Vento's burn the fat feed the muscle book.

It's not about body building and has useful tips on emotionally and mentally preparing for a task like this. He goes through everything, how sugar affects your body, why it's important to drink more than the recommended daily glasses of water etc.

You can even use the NLP techniques he teaches in every day life, so definitely a great book.

One of the things he teaches is self-speak (NLP). To not tell yourself "I'm going to lose 10kgs this month" because your sub-conscious recognizes the "I'm going to lose" bit. Changing it to "I feel thinner and fitter already" is a more positive self-speak method.

a friend of mine followed his diet (BT6LW, you can find posts from him here) and he eats and drinks like there's no tomorrow. 1 hour gym every day consisting of mostly cardio and he has lost a **** load of weight.

Aim for 1kg a week. That's a healthy slow way of getting rid of the fat. Try not to cheat at all. 1 chocolate could mean your body retains more water and have a bigger "dip" on the "down" when the sugar wears off giving you more chance of falling flat on your face in terms of goals (and Tom goes into detail about goal setting which is awesome!)

good luck

Technically I never followed his diet, but I did use his guidelines to change what I eat and developed my own pattern....

Its been quite a while since I started and I absolutely love the change. I eat more now than I ever did before (46kg lighter) and the weight just stays off.