Stop whining, MTN and Telkom

whatwhat said:
lol, banana republics and their cellphone providers.

Completely the opposite to TMobile who advertise their network as built for data in the US, and want people to use it.
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I saw those ESL One ads as well :)
 
jannievanzyl said:
I'm still trying to find where the mobile operators said this. Unlike the author, I was actually at the submissions and no-one ever said this .
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What is 'this'?

jannievanzyl said:
PLease show where I said users must pay for using WA or FB as the author (and now you) claims.

I was always under the impression you paid for your data already?? :confused:
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I didn't claim anything. In your first post you were not specific on what 'no one said' . I just found the other article and posted a link
 
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Vrotappel said:
So you did say this?
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how does that equate to anything other than a true observation
network operators know that data is on the rise and that traditional MNOs have a challenge in generating revenue on data sales that OTT services use.

It is an observation that questions the wisdom of service providers zero rating certain OTT traffic
 
Paul Hjul said:
how does that equate to anything other than a true observation
network operators know that data is on the rise and that traditional MNOs have a challenge in generating revenue on data sales that OTT services use.

It is an observation that questions the wisdom of service providers zero rating certain OTT traffic
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If the user already paid for the data why should it be an issue what the user use that data for?

Honestly it seems to me to be a situation where the service providers wants to have their cake and eat it too.
 
Vrotappel said:
If the user already paid for the data why should it be an issue what the user use that data for?

Honestly it seems to me to be a situation where the service providers wants to have their cake and eat it too.
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which isn't contradicted in the statement at all - on the contrary the position of MNOs "selling data" in quantity rather than providing data for free as a VAS is the norm in this country. CellC however is providing zero rating - so the user hasn't already paid for the data, and the operator gives preference of some data over others - makes very little sense other than to gain market share.
 
Paul Hjul said:
which isn't contradicted in the statement at all - on the contrary the position of MNOs "selling data" in quantity rather than providing data for free as a VAS is the norm in this country. CellC however is providing zero rating - so the user hasn't already paid for the data, and the operator gives preference of some data over others - makes very little sense other than to gain market share.
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As so often is evident on this board; people read the headlines. Not the actual articles.
 
jannievanzyl said:
As so often is evident on this board; people read the headlines. Not the actual articles.
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but why read the article when you can read the headline
why read the submissions to write an article when you can build around soundbites
why research the topic when you can spew crap
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and so it goes

and we tolerate gross stupidity from industry executives so why shouldn't ordinary forum members not be afforded the same luxury

O and on that note I am seriously unimpressed with the hoops and hurdles and lack of public access to Neotels application to ICASA to be authorized to change their ownership so I am really not looking forward to the next round of whining by the MNOs about a lack of spectrum ...
 
imranpanji said:
You haven't actually answered what you meant by 'they didn't say this' .
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OP: "Threats by telecomms giants to start charging for services like WhatsApp and Skype are the behaviour of schoolyard bullies, says Alistair Fairweather."
No one said this. Not sure how you want me to explain it better? :confused:
 
of course MTN have not ever repudiated the possibility of differential pricing for VoIP data, so there is a threat but it isn't one that has recently been made

now the idea of charging more for data which is selected to be purchased at a premium for lower latency and so on is entirely separate, albeit problematic as part of a net neutrality discussion
 
jannievanzyl said:
OP: "Threats by telecomms giants to start charging for services like WhatsApp and Skype are the behaviour of schoolyard bullies, says Alistair Fairweather."
No one said this. Not sure how you want me to explain it better? :confused:
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OK, fair enough.

I was unsure as there were a lot of quotes within the article, so thought you were referring to some of those.

Edit: Actually reread the article and there is a lot of conjecture interlaced with the quotes so I see your point
 
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Next thing you will not be allowed to connect to a wireless network using your cell...
 
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