'Strike embarrassing for SA'

What % Pay Increase will the parties settle for?

  • Less than 6%

    Votes: 2 3.6%
  • 6%

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • 6.5%

    Votes: 3 5.5%
  • 7%

    Votes: 1 1.8%
  • 7.5%

    Votes: 2 3.6%
  • 8%

    Votes: 11 20.0%
  • 8.5%

    Votes: 3 5.5%
  • 9%

    Votes: 12 21.8%
  • 9.5%

    Votes: 6 10.9%
  • More than 9.5%

    Votes: 15 27.3%

  • Total voters
    55
1.00 CAD = 6.68144 ZAR

$CAN has exploded against the $US in the last while. Our interest rates may be going up but US interest rates may be going down. Add to that the fact that Canada may soon become the worlds largest oil and gas supplier, then we have a "petro-dollar" scenario. House prices where I live are sky rocketing and yet in the USA they are falling.

$CAN will soon be at par with $US. http://www.thestar.com/Business/article/220707


So you're confirming that the rand sliding against the C$ is more as a result of the C$ strengthening against the US$ than the rand performing badly. My question then is why did you try and use it to take a cheap shot at SA? It's not because of any problems related to SA, we're holding our own perfectly against the major currencies which ours rides on.
 
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A quick google for "Canada strike" reveals that Canadians enjoy a good strike themselves. Could it be argued that Canada has become a banana republic?

For "canada public service strike" : http://www.cbc.ca/canada/story/2004/04/20/nfldstrike040420.html

Starting salary of R530 000 per year? Really? In a public hospital?

Public servants are underpaid just about anywhere you care to go. I'm not saying they don't deserve better, I just don't think the salaries of public servants are a very good indicator of how a countries doing economically.

That's why I ;) when I said that.. tongue in cheek friend.

Starting salary (without shift differential) is R400,000.00 per year. Add in shift dollars + potential overtime, and the amount is higher.

Our transit union just ratified their new contract yesterday:http://www.canada.com/calgaryherald/news/story.html?id=d3e69943-16b7-472d-a46a-b9dad3b0a067&k=69157

The difference here is that Canadians are far more civilized when striking, unlike the recent strike in Cape Town last year that turned into a free for all.
 
Is that a joke? Compared to us being at below 4 or 5 to 1 before ANC rule?? :cool:
You seem to have missed this part:
Also, currency exchange rates aren't necessarily related to the strength of the economy of any particular country. If that were the case, countries like Japan and Italy would be in deep ****.
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Our currency fluctuates so much all the time how anyone can think it is stable.....?
At the turn of the millennium we were sitting at around R11/$ if I recall. It's come down since then, and at one point we were the world's best performing currency for that calendar year (think it was 2004 or 2005). For the past year or two it stabilized at R6.50-R7/$. You guys seem to pick and choose what you remember :confused:
 
below 4 or 5 to 1 before ANC rule
I too miss the good old days of rampant inflation, massive government spending and high taxes. Truly halcion days.
 
What is going to influence the decision this year is the 6.3% year on year inflation rate for May just reported. Contributing to that is a more than definite rise next week of 0.5% in interests rates, which may still turn out into a full 1% shocker.
Add those costs to the picture and the increase in the price of food and the average man on the street even if he gets 8% this year is still in my opinion going to be marginally poorer than he was a year ago.

In my humble opinion the biggest contributor to the pesky inflation in this country is none other than Government itself.
1. Each year for how many years now, Manuel adds 5 to 15c on to a litre of petrol.
2. The new Credit Act should have been in place 2 years ago.
3. Companies like Telkom who have a dandy monopoly over our Local Loop, Sat3 Cables etc have likely added a 0.5% or more into that whole picture.
4. Government is not spending and managing the Billions they have properly. There is simply so much wastage in Government Departments. Government might have a super Minister of Finance who knows how to punch the numbers and collect from Dick, Tom and Harry, but just about every other Department is inept in it's ability to use the money it has effectively.
5. The high rate of unemployment.
6. The negative growth in the Agricultural Sector fuelling the cost of food.
7. Local Government is not providing Capacity. Planning is inadequate and service delivery is at a low ebb. Yet they know how to push the price of Electricity by 18% and Water by 15%.
8. Rates are becoming a form of wealth tax to subsidise the inept Councils so that they can pay for sub contractors and those huge wage bills that produce very little in return.
9. Not teaching the people how to save. Although the new Pension Fund is a major step in the right direction, but time will tell if that can be managed properly when it does eventually come into force.
10. Because Government was slow to introduce proper credit extension measures the increase in Interests Rates - 2% in the last year - plus a further 0.5 to 1% next week and later this years - is only going to cut the disposable income of Joe Soap further.
11. So far Tito, Manuel and Co have done a reasonable job, but they need to rationalise what they are doing now, by starting to level off increases, decreases in levies, taxes, rates etc so that people can start to budget properly. Every time 5c is added to the cost of fuel Government becomes accustomed to that new money and starts to budget that it will retrieve that money in each year and the next. They become dependent on this income and instead of managing what they have, they are quick to add more pressure to the poor consumer with more taxes.
Look at the Western Cape for instance that already pays double in Licence Fees to pay for roads we have been told, but the Provincial Government adds another spoke in the fire by introducing a further tax to pay for roads once again. They vicious circle will never end.

In my opinion, the Strikes that are happening at the moment are only dealing with half the problem.
They are addressing the result of inflation and not the cause of it. They should be tasking Government to curb inflation and stop placing unnecessary pressures on the poor "taxed to death" South African Consumer. It is easy to sit in Government pushing paper like Manuel et al and see where they can squeeze more money from the country, but it is another to be on the receiving end of those taxes and interest rates.
 
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What is going to influence the decision this year is the 6.3% year on year inflation rate for May just reported. Contributing to that is a more than definite rise next week of 0.5% in interests rates, which may still turn out into a full 1% shocker.
Add those costs to the picture and the increase in the price of food and the average man on the street even if he gets 8% this year is still in my opinion going to be marginally poorer than he was a year ago.

In my humble opinion the biggest contributor to the pesky inflation in this country is none other than Government itself.
1. Each year for how many years now, Manuel adds 5 to 15c on to a litre of petrol.
2. The new Credit Act should have been in place 2 years ago.
3. Companies like Telkom who have a dandy monopoly over our Local Loop, Sat3 Cables etc have likely added a 0.5% or more into that whole picture.
4. Government is not spending and managing the Billions they have properly. There is simply so much wastage in Government Departments. Government might have a super Minister of Finance who knows how to punch the numbers and collect from Dick, Tom and Harry, but just about every other Department is inept in it's ability to use the money it has effectively.
5. The high rate of unemployment.
6. The negative growth in the Agricultural Sector fuelling the cost of food.
7. Local Government is not providing Capacity. Planning is inadequate and service delivery is at a low ebb. Yet they know how to push the price of Electricity by 18% and Water by 15%.
8. Rates are becoming a form of wealth tax to subsidise the inept Councils so that they can pay for sub contractors and those huge wage bills that produce very little in return.
9. Not teaching the people how to save. Although the new Pension Fund is a major step in the right direction, but time will tell if that can be managed properly when it does eventually come into force.
10. Because Government was slow to introduce proper credit extension measures the increase in Interests Rates - 2% in the last year - plus a further 0.5 to 1% next week and later this years - is only going to cut the disposable income of Joe Soap further.
11. So far Tito, Manuel and Co have done a reasonable job, but they need to rationalise what they are doing now, by starting to level off increases, decreases in levies, taxes, rates etc so that people can start to budget properly. Every time 5c is added to the cost of fuel Government becomes accustomed to that new money and starts to budget that it will retrieve that money in each year and the next. They become dependent on this income and instead of managing what they have, they are quick to add more pressure to the poor consumer with more taxes.
Look at the Western Cape for instance that already pays double in Licence Fees to pay for roads we have been told, but the Provincial Government adds another spoke in the fire by introducing a further tax to pay for roads once again. They vicious circle will never end.

In my opinion, the Strikes that are happening at the moment are only dealing with half the problem.
They are addressing the result of inflation and not the cause of it. They should be tasking Government to curb inflation and stop placing unnecessary pressures on the poor "taxed to death" South African Consumer. It is easy to sit in Government pushing paper like Manuel et al and see where they can squeeze more money from the country, but it is another to be on the receiving end of those taxes and interest rates.


So what's the bad news?

Also, at the end of the day how much of R1.00 that each person earns goes to pay taxes, levies property taxes, road taxes, VAT, etc?

Does anyone have that number?
 
Do agree policeman and nurses shouldn't strike (and isn't it against the law?) Cosatu crowing their victory at massive expense to the country (in lives and expense) is equal to governments ineptitude. Mbeki receiving a 54% pay increase is ridiculous (nevermind the rest.)
 
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Bracket creep/Fiscal drag

So what's the bad news?

Also, at the end of the day how much of R1.00 that each person earns goes to pay taxes, levies property taxes, road taxes, VAT, etc?

Does anyone have that number?
The Bad News is that people are stressed.

I would say about half or more.
Probably closer to 60%.
It would depend what % personal income tax you pay? The more you earn the higher it goes. Bracket creep/Fiscal drag.

We should have a flat rate of 10% on Income Tax for everyone and adjust Vat according to Luxury and Non Luxury Items.
This way everyone pays and it would bring back that entrepreneurial spirit.
 
Heres an idea, dont charge public servants income tax!

Hehe. :D
You may have a point here.
Government is only getting back what it pays out.

Government could also pay out Housing Subsidies and other perks.
This would directly increase the remuneration package, but then State Employees might spend the money on debt or luxuries instead of a home, like it was intended for.

The bottom line is Government isn't looking after it's employees. State employees are getting poorer each year. They have a valid case in my opinion for striking.
 
FWIW I think govt employees do get a housing subsidy, though it's only a few hundred rand. Good luck getting accomodation with that. That could certainly be increased as part of a renegotiatated package. BTTB, what is the problem if the employees decide to spend a housing subsidy on something else? Just asking, I mean it is their remuneration and surely if they choose to waste it/spend it frivolously that's their own problem?

I think that not claiming tax from public employees is an excellent idea.
 
I think that not claiming tax from public employees is an excellent idea.

Providing that their income was reduced by the amount of tax due thus eliminating the cost of collection.

Sure Canadian Nurses can earn R500 000 a year, what is the cost of living like? How does one put up with that weather and the French tho? Heating costs R450 000 PA. :)
 
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