Stuff this 3Gig crap..:-(

[Robin Hood]

I ordered ADSL from telkom, just to cancel it again in 3 days...I have worked it out that you can do MUCH more with Sentech's 256kb My Wireless than telkom's currently 512kb ADSL with the 3gig-cap limmit. For all the HEAVY downloaders, it is not worth telkoms offer, cause after the 3 gig, you actually get a slower line than a 56Kb modem....Some people may say u get a lot of errors with Sentech, which i believe could be true, but at the very end, after your software has actually corrected the errors ( error correction ), you will STILL be able to have downloaded more in a month than ADSL.......for nearly half the Adsl price....think about it...[]

 

[alex]

I know u right robin hood but the fact remains that ADSL is faster then sentech , and is more stable and yeah less erroes thoes are the advantages of cableing , if not for telkoms *** ADSL is better in all respects to when compareing to a wireless technoledgy.

 

[desraid]

ADSL is a broadband service, but Telkom ADSL is not! []

 

[sss]

why dont u guys just use proxys? i download over 90gigs a month on my adsl, i just use proxys!

GSI 16VS

 

[quik]

Where do find these proxies, and mind sharing them with us, or just e-mail me one or two or three or four or five or...

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[James]

me too, i would hop on the proxy wagon....if i had a proxy

There is no peace without war!!!

 

[sss]

i wrote a program that scans the whole of the 196.*.*.* and 165.*.*.* range, i usually find a proxy within 30 minutes that i can use for about 2 days

GSI 16VS

 

[neobyte]

sss, I run a security auditing company. Did you realise that it is illegal to scan remote pc's in South Africa. A large majority of hosts pay per Mb of legitimate traffic. We have won court cases in the past for unneccessary port scan attempts. As long as someone has the logs to prove it you may be liable to pay for their used bandwidth. Even using a proxy that you have not explicitly been given permission to use is a criminal offence. IDS audits will eventually catch people like you out. There are many companies willing to spend money to take down free riders. My security audits pick up scans and most of the time our ISP, namely UUnet is only too happy to follow it up for us.

 

[Karnaugh]

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At the risk of sounding like a troll, that is a stupid idiotic and ultimatly wrong thing to do. It's flawed and illegal in so many ways.

Bad idea number 1. The 196 range does not only belong to SA firstly, only specific subnets within it, you'll be triping IDS systems all over SA's ISP's and internet systems.

Bad idea number 2. ADSL is a class B of 165.165.0.0/16, not the whole of 165.

Bad idea number 3. Port scanning is illegal on one host. You're attempting to do 33,162,750 hosts. Alot of people do check their firewall logs and detecting proxy scan attempts is only too easy to tell appart from virus activity. You're likely to get caught and with so many connections SAIX will easily (from their traffic logs, yes they log every single packet you send/recive) see that you've been acting like a clown.

Bad idea number 4. Using a proxy without the persons permission is illegal too.

- Colin Alston
colin at alston dot za dot org

"Getting traffic shaping right is easy and can be summed up in one word: Dont." -- George Barnett

 

[sss]

well you better tell the others, cause there are a lot of people doing it now, but anyway theres a proxy on this forum, that works just fine and has been for the last 15 days,

GSI 16VS

 

[Dean_Henstock]

So your basic theory is because everyone else does it, its ok, wait until you get a summons, and tell the judge that everyone else does it, se what the reaction is

Keep Surfing

 

[Dean_Henstock]

In actual fact you piss me off, you are stealing ! thats correct, you are taking what is not yours and causing others to pay for it. [!] its sad the Internet comunnity has to put up with people like you !

Keep Surfing

 

[neobyte]

Well, I've just been authorised on behalf of our company attorney to start collecting logs for the 8080 and 3128 scans... Even a single scan unjustified is a criminal offence. I'll be publishing the list of IP's I have collected towards the end of next week. It will take roughly about 1 month to get a court order forcing telkom or whoever is the respective owner of those IP address ranges to release the details of who had the IP at that particular time.

If there is any company out there wishing to contact me with regard to their proxy servers I'll only be too happy to compare logs.

Dean? If you wish to get into contact with me regarding these logs, please just email me or post a comment and I'll get back to you. I've had enough of dealing with being taken for a ride and am preparded to contribute many of my upcoming hours to making the south african internet at least a fair place.

 

[James]

LOL... I laugh at all this, "and these are the ADSL's of our lives", lol. But seriously sss, that is dumb and to go on a public forum where i am sure Telkom and alot of other ISP's and company owners are on and reading, you make the grand, re-phrased statement, "hey every one I am robbing you all blind, and i am dumb enough to tell you as well", sorry man but that is dumb...what a noob.

There is no peace without war!!!

 

[dikbek]

For the sake of us that do not fully understand what sss is doing, please can someone explain? Just the priciple, no detail as to how.

 

[neobyte]

According to him, he is scanning remote pc's to see which of them have proxies running and then he uses these proxies. I can confirm that my firewall has been picking up scan attempts for the past months it is just recently the scanning level has reached an unacceptable level, around 40% of all incoming traffic.

Not only is the scanning illegal but the usage of the proxy servers.

 

[Dean_Henstock]

neobyte, I would welcome this, I belive that we can have a court order sooner than 1 month. I have started to monitor all scans on ports, including 3128, 8080, rember to check port 80 as well as it is used for transparent browsing and 443 and 53 for DNS.

Keep Surfing

 

[neobyte]

Here is a copy of my IDS report after a average week.

% No Destination Port
0.24 1 3/13
0.24 1 3/9
1.91 8 1080
2.39 10 21
3.35 14
43.54 182 8/0
48.33 202 8080

48% of all incoming is 8080 scans. 3128 as well as 80 are already in use with other services so they dont get picked up by IDS. However it would be possible to record incoming scans to 3128 and 80 but they are in other logs.

 

[sss]

who me, i didnt do anything? i'm not even on adsl!

GSI 16VS

 

[mbs]

SSS, methinks you don't fit nor can be considered a contributing member of this forum - unless you've something useful to contribute (which is highly doubtful, based on your postings to date), rather lurk and keep quiet: you may learn something eventually...