Stupid stupid flu virus!

is pineapple wizard writing something? I keep getting told there's a new post but nothing here. He's on ignore - can't remember why lol. Guess I can undo it.
 
neoprema said:
Yeah i've always been a big supporter of the pharmacy lol. I should really have a few business class tickets by now if they let you earn miles...

Yeah Omegas are a gap. I thought a Nutritionist only focuses on weight problems? Do they focus on immune-system and other issues from vitamins and minerals?
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Just to be crystal clear.
When I say diet, I mean what nutrients you take in, not how food affects your day to day weight on a scale.

A nutritionist, helps you structure a healthy balanced diet, by asking you questions, about your lifestyle, eating habits, sleeping patterns, and various types of nutrient intake. They are most likely to "put you on a diet" in the sense of an eating plan that they believe would be optimal for you. Very subjective most of the time

A dietitian (diet doctor) is if you are serious about this, and want clinical suggestions about what you consume.

Eg. You are pre-diabetic and want medical advice with regards to what to eat, and not to eat, tailored to your specific bloodwork.

When electing to visit any medical practice, please always check the qualification and validity of the medical professional, it is your right and their duty to provide you with their qualifications.

If you want quick and easy, nutritionist.
If you want more in depth, and of course at a higher price, but also more accurate in the long run, then a dietician.
 
tetrasect said:
Never said it was. I said your body synthesizes it's own K2 from K1.


Sure it's poorly absorbed, but found in high amounts which negates the poor absorption.
For instance 1 cup of spinach has around 1000ug of K1 which even at 10% absorption is higher than the recommended daily intake.


Yeah like I said, our body produces it's own K2.

If you think you have a deficiency cause you don't eat vegetables then sure go buy K2 supplements, but otherwise I just don't see the point.
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The conversion process itself is highly inefficient. Only 10% of K1 gets absorbed to begin with and of that only a fraction gets converted to K2. But look, I don't think you are getting my point here. I am talking of people taking 4000-10000 IU / day of vitamin D3. When you do that you probably do need to consider supplementing K2 because you are really going to struggle to get adequate amounts of K2 to properly metabolize the D3.
 
tetrasect said:
which is easy to get in large amounts from green vegetables.
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The key words - no green veges in your diet, no K1 and therefore no K2. So, don't generalise - everyone's circumstances are different. Rather explain the science properly and completely.
and what is more, IF you are taking more Vit D3, THEN to get maximum value out of your investment, you need to increase vit K2 as well.
 
neoprema said:
is pineapple wizard writing something? I keep getting told there's a new post but nothing here. He's on ignore - can't remember why lol. Guess I can undo it.
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pinball wizzard, not pinapple. I'm blaming the strong medication and killer virus.
 
neoprema said:
Sooo in a twisted fate of events. I went to the pharmacy for some other meds and decided to do a quick rapid test and… POSITIVE :mad:

I can only imagine the Pfizer shots, although waning, is why it’s so mild cause last years one before my shots was like being beaten to death by a bus with hot spikes. I can’t even remember those two weeks..

Now what really sucks is I’m supposed to travel on Thursday. Guess who’s going nowhere :)
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Or it's Omicron? Though how did you get it again? I've literally done the bare minimum and not gotten once and I've been exposed a few times.
 
vatie said:
The conversion process itself is highly inefficient. Only 10% of K1 gets absorbed to begin with and of that only a fraction gets converted to K2. But look, I don't think you are getting my point here. I am talking of people taking 4000-10000 IU / day of vitamin D3. When you do that you probably do need to consider supplementing K2 because you are really going to struggle to get adequate amounts of K2 to properly metabolize the D3.
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Actually K1 to K2 conversion is highly efficient. In addition, almost all of the K1 you consume gets converted to K2.
Serum levels of K1 pale in comparison to K2 even a few hours after consuming K1.

So really it makes no difference whether you take K1 or K2 cause all the K1 will be converted to K2 by your body anyway.

Here's a reference: https://www.jbc.org/article/S0021-9258(20)61918-4/fulltext

Just to clarify, I agree with increasing vitamin K intake when taking vitamin D, I'm just arguing against K2 being necessary as opposed to K1.

Geoff.D said:
The key words - no green veges in your diet, no K1 and therefore no K2. So, don't generalise - everyone's circumstances are different. Rather explain the science properly and completely.
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Yeah of course of you're not getting any K1 your body has nothing to make K2 with. Thought that was obvious.
 
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now05ster said:
Why is that needed?

I mean, we know what flu symptoms look like and it's not the Rona here.
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Well you were proved wrong, as it turned out he did have the rona... So guess what the rona, the flu and the common cold share similar symptoms, sadly so does meningitis and a few others. As symptoms are just your immune systems responses to an infection.
 
Lupus said:
Well you were proved wrong, as it turned out he did have the rona... So guess what the rona, the flu and the common cold share similar symptoms, sadly so does meningitis and a few others. As symptoms are just your immune systems responses to an infection.
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Oh dear.
 
tetrasect said:
Actually K1 to K2 conversion is highly efficient. In addition, almost all of the K1 you consume gets converted to K2.
Serum levels of K1 pale in comparison to K2 even a few hours after consuming K1.

So really it makes no difference whether you take K1 or K2 cause all the K1 will be converted to K2 by your body anyway.

Here's a reference: https://www.jbc.org/article/S0021-9258(20)61918-4/fulltext

Just to clarify, I agree with increasing vitamin K intake when taking vitamin D, I'm just arguing against K2 being necessary as opposed to K1.


Yeah of course of you're not getting any K1 your body has nothing to make K2 with. Thought that was obvious.
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www.healthline.com

Everything You Need to Know About Vitamin K2

Vitamin K was initially discovered as a nutrient involved in blood clotting. There are two forms: K1 (in plant foods) and K2 (in animal and fermented foods).
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Your body can partly convert vitamin K1 to K2. This is useful, as the amount of vitamin K1 in a typical diet is ten times that of vitamin K2.

However, current evidence indicates that the conversion process is inefficient. As a result, you may benefit much more from eating vitamin K2 directly.

Vitamin K2 is also produced by gut bacteria in your large intestine. Some evidence suggests that broad-spectrum antibiotics contribute to K2 deficiency
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K2 conversion efficiency is going to be largely dependent on gut health and even a healthy gut is not particularly good at the conversion. Another signal though that a healthy gut is critical to good health.

Something else from that article that is quite important to note. I know you didn't disagree on this but it is pretty important to note how critical this nutrient is. So, all things considered, getting some direct K2 sources is a very good idea especially as you age and want to look after your heart and vascular health.

Some scientists have suggested that the roles of vitamins K1 and K2 are quite different, and many feel that they should be classified as separate nutrients altogether.

This idea is supported by an animal study showing that vitamin K2 (MK-4) reduced blood vessel calcification whereas vitamin K1 did not
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I'm feeling better already!

Damn that Pfizer stuff is good. Compared to last time I have COVID-19 this is like a walk in the park.
 
Hamster said:
Only if you run away
refusing to stay

/starts tapping and clapping

Bring it homie
Don't be a phony
Lay down some lyrics
Hush 'em critics

/clap, stomp, clap-clap, stomp
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Pop the eight ball
Think they can predict fates fall
State thinks they can lock us down
Please we run this f--cking town
 
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