Suarez and Evra Thread.

Stevie G said:
a utd will be sacrified if suarez gets touched or abused by anyone. i think Mr Evra will be booed everytime he touches the ball
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Hahaha, you think Evra is going to be booed at Old Trafford?

I hope you mean by the away fans, and even then, LFC is going to do more damage to its reputation.
 
Dalglish refuses to accept the club are creating more problems by continuing to challenge the findings of an independent commission which found Suarez guilty of racially abusing Patrice Evra.

The club and the player reluctantly accepted the eight-match ban and £40,000 fine on Tuesday night - meaning the striker was unavailable for the 3-0 defeat at Manchester City.

However, Dalglish refused to back down in the long-running row over how the situation has been handled and claimed the 115-page report which damned Suarez's evidence failed to mention several salient facts.

He would not elaborate on what those were but insisted he was right to raise the issue.

"I don't think we are digging a bigger hole - it is unfortunate we cannot be more forthcoming," said the Scot after both the club and the player issued statements last night.

"There are a lot of things we'd like to say and a lot of things we could say but we don't want to get ourselves into trouble.

"We know what has gone on; we know what is not in the report and that is important for us.

"But without me getting myself in trouble, that is me finished.

"It is unfortunate that you don't actually know the whole content of what went on at the hearing.

"I am not prepared and I cannot say. I cannot go any further."

Suarez maintains his innocence and admits the last two months have left him feeling "powerless" over the accusations which were made against him.

"Never, I repeat, never, have I had any racial problem with a team-mate or individual who was of a different race or colour to mine. Never," he said in a statement.

"I am very upset by all the things which have been said during the last few weeks about me, all of them being very far from the truth.

"But above all, I'm very upset at feeling so powerless whilst being accused of something which I did not, nor would not, ever do.

"In my country 'negro' is a word we use commonly, a word which doesn't show any lack of respect and is even less so a form of racist abuse.

"Based on this, everything which has been said so far is totally false.

"I will carry out the suspension with the resignation of someone who hasn't done anything wrong and who feels extremely upset by the events."

Liverpool, who have supported Suarez throughout, have made it clear that in not contesting the ban does not mean they accept culpability but they want the matter to end.

"Continuing a fight for justice in this particular case beyond today would only obscure the fact that the club wholeheartedly supports the efforts of the Football Association, the Football League and the Premier League to put an end to any form of racism in English football," said a statement.

"It is time to put the Luis Suarez matter to rest and for all of us, going forward, to work together to stamp out racism in every form both inside and outside the sport.

"It is for this reason that we will not appeal the eight-game suspension of Luis Suarez."
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Source http://www.football365.com/news/21554/7410095/Going-Down-Whining
 
FA urged to level disrepute charge

• European anti-racism head says club has shown no respect
• Powar criticises Kenny Dalglish's comments as 'undignified'


The head of European football's anti-racism group has urged the Football Association to charge Liverpool with bringing the game into disrepute for their response to Luis Suárez's eight-match ban for racially abusing the Manchester United defender Patrice Evra.

Piara Powar, the executive director of European football's anti-discrimination body – Football Against Racism in Europe (Fare) – said the Liverpool manager Kenny Dalglish's comments had been "undignified" and that their reaction had damaged the club's brand across the world.

"This is a lack of respect for the governing body by Liverpool and the FA should charge Liverpool FC and Kenny Dalglish," Powar said.

"I think the FA should come back now and be very clear that Liverpool could be construed to have brought the game into disrepute by the way in which they have consistently undermined the judgment, and by Kenny Dalglish's comments.

"Liverpool have been too keen to support their man and in doing so have whipped up a sense of paranoia among their fans … This is not the Liverpool FC that we have applauded in the past for their support for a whole range of issues.

"The responses from Kenny Dalglish have been undignified; the way in which they have dealt with the whole matter has been unprofessional.

"For the club to so aggressively militate against what looks to most people a considered judgment from the FA leads to a potential for anarchy."

Powar said reaction from his colleagues in other parts of the world made him believe the affair was damaging Liverpool. "They have damaged their brand. There is no question that Liverpool do have a global appeal, but I have emails from colleagues in Africa asking me what the hell is going on.

"I think people will be watching this and I believe there is no question that their plans for global expansion will have been damaged by this.

"That's not to say they cannot come back from this but it has done them a lot of damage and they have not conducted themselves in a very palatable way."

Powar's call comes after Lord Ouseley, the chairman of British football's anti-racism group Kick It Out, called Liverpool "hypocritical" and Suárez's apology "lamentable".

Ouseley also described Liverpool players wearing T-shirts in support of Suárez as "dreadful".
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Well after what the media said about Hillsborough and LFC -> later all proved to be false, the media can go jump in a lake.



Powar's call comes after Lord Ouseley, the chairman of British football's anti-racism group Kick It Out, called Liverpool "hypocritical" and Suárez's apology "lamentable".
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http://www.mirrorfootball.co.uk/new...r-footballs-governing-body-article848932.html

The FA boss who sent a racist email to his friends is still working for English football's governing body.
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Tell me the FA are not hypocrites?
 
Trial by media – Luis Suarez http://newsframes.wordpress.com/2012/01/06/media-on-racism-churnalism/

(Note: references to “para” are to relevant numbered paragraphs in the FA report)

This incident started during a football match, after Patrice Evra (Manchester Utd) made the offensive remark, “your sister’s *****”*, to Luis Suarez. It’s alleged (by Evra) that Suarez used racial insults in the dialogue that followed. (*Evra made the remark in Spanish: “Concha de tu hermana” - para 87).

The official officials who officiated in this case were the Football Association (FA) and their “independent commission” (ie three blokes selected by the FA).

Trial by Media - Luis SuarezSuarez denies making racial insults. The case boils down to meanings of “negro” in Spanish (nearest equivalent in English is “black”). Suarez claims he said “negro” once, inoffensively. Language experts consulted by the FA agreed that: “the use of ‘negro’ as described here by Mr Suarez would not be offensive. Indeed, it is possible that the term was intended as an attempt at conciliation and/or to establish rapport”. (Para 190)

Suarez claims he said “Por qué, negro?” (“why, black?” – para 205). Evra claims he said “Porque tu eres negro” (“Because you are black” – para 205). The latter could be taken as offensive according to the FA’s language experts, but the phrase struck them as “slightly unusual” (para 182), whereas the phrase claimed by Suarez “sounded right linguistically and culturally”. (Para 191)

Initially Evra claimed (in English) that Suarez said, at one point: “I don’t talk to you because you ******s” (para 131). He later withdrew this claim, after realising Suarez had said, in Spanish, “negro”, not “******”. (The report quotes Evra admitting that he is “not exactly fluent in Spanish” – para 87). As the FA’s experts pointed out, “the Spanish word ‘negro’ cannot simply be translated as ‘******’.” (They also point out that “It may be used affectionately … it may be used as a nickname in everyday speech … several famous people in Uruguay are known as ‘el negro’…” (para 172)

These important details (and much else of relevance) somehow went unreported in most media coverage following the FA’s publication of a 115-page report (listing the reasons why the 3-man panel found Suarez “guilty”). Unfortunately, ‘churnalism’ had taken the place of responsible reporting

“Racial abuse” churnalism

The report was published by the FA on New Year’s Eve – which probably didn’t help. What journalist wants to spend the last hours of the year reading 115 pages on racial abuse allegations?

The Guardian led the way with lazy, irresponsible churnalism. Three Guardian articles (each by Stuart James, plus another from Andy Hunter) stated as fact that the panel ‘found that Suárez used the word “negro” or “negros” seven times’.

But no such thing was “found” (even though the panel used that word). There was no evidence or corroborating witness statements confirming the number of times Suarez said “negro”. There was nothing but Patrice Evra’s word. (And Evra had altered his account – he initially told Canal+ TV that Suarez used the racial term “at least ten times” (para 154), but later claimed that this was just “a figure of speech” – para 159 – with the FA report stating that he later claimed Suarez used the word “negro” five times – para 205).

In fact, what the report clearly shows is that there was no evidence or supporting witnesses to back up either player’s version of the crucial dialogue between them on the pitch. The entire case came down to one man’s word against another’s. This explains why the panel spent so much time trying to establish a case (again subjective and uncorroborated) that Suarez’s testimony was “unreliable”.
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An interesting article that I found on another forum.
 
What the Guardian being "inaccurate" and misleading. I'm shocked :rolleyes:


Meanwhile in the corridors of power

Labour shadow minister Diane Abbott has apologised after claiming that white people "love playing divide and rule" as she came under fire from her own party and was called "stupid and crass" by Nick Clegg.

As another MP points out

If this was a white MP saying black people like dividing white people they'd be out in five minutes. She should do the decent thing and resign."
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Same double standard exists in the Prem.
 
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theone said:
An interesting article that I found on another forum.
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This is where you should have stopped reading:

"The Guardian led the way with lazy, irresponsible churnalism. Three Guardian articles (each by Stuart James, plus another from Andy Hunter) stated as fact that the panel ‘found that Suárez used the word “negro” or “negros” seven times’.

But no such thing was “found” (even though the panel used that word)."

What... The panel found he used the word but the journalists aren't supposed to report that they found he used the word? That's dumb.
 
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Ya, just now you guys will say that Downing's ex-girfriend ran into his fist :rolleyes:
 
Downing must have been practising how to cross..........

.....with his fists.





/ will note any improvement the next time he plays
 
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