Surtie Inheritance Scam

Watching this space today for someone to mention the meeting the 'beneficiaries' had yesterday.

I'm actually really curious to know what was said. And when distribution of money that hasn't been received was promised for... :unsure: :laugh:
 
luvspiderman said:
Is this legit? My aunt is drained from working hard and paying for everything. Her husband sits at home 24/7 and refuses to work because he believes that the payout is soon.
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She can safely divorce him.

It isn't legit, there will be no payout.
IF THERE WAS a payout, his kind will blow it all within a year and will be worse off then than he is now.

She can try to set an ultimatum, saying that if there isn't a payout by the time he expect it to be, that he will try to get a job. It probably won't work though.
 
BusyNobody said:
Take a few minutes and google (yes, YOU can be the digital super hero now) how many lottery millionaires go bankrupt and own even less than they did before just a few years after their winnings.

So for YOUR sake, and so many others on here, I sincerely hope that YOU can handle the millions you (there goes that grammar thing again) can handle, and that your ‘upgraded lifestyle’ lasts longer than this thread has…
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Barbarian Conan said:
IF THERE WAS a payout, his kind will blow it all within a year and will be worse off then than he is now.
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I completely agree with this bit! I doubt very many of the people who will eventually get a share of this money (if it actually does happen) would know how to effectively put this money to use.



luvspiderman said:
Is this legit? My aunt is drained from working hard and paying for everything. Her husband sits at home 24/7 and refuses to work because he believes that the payout is soon.
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As for this bit. I don't suppose telling him that he could end up waiting another few decades before any money is paid out would make any difference to his attitude whatsoever.

The sad bit is that whoever is collecting the money has done such a good job of convincing people of the imminent payout that he's probably already spending the money even though the case is still ongoing
 
luvspiderman said:
Is this legit? My aunt is drained from working hard and paying for everything. Her husband sits at home 24/7 and refuses to work because he believes that the payout is soon.
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Try to find out who he "invested" with. Only actual beneficiaries and Jeff Koorbanally will get anything even if there is a payout. Unless he has some legal agreement with them or some other agent whom THEY will pay on a legally binding agreement, NO-ONE else has any claim to any of the money.
 
This has now extended way beyond the point of being farcical.

I understand that there have been several ‘meetings’ since my last post, and yet again several ‘promises’ of a payout have been made.

I’m battling to understand the audacity of these people arranging these meetings. Do they have no shame whatsoever? I actually feel offended on the part of the victims in this fiasco. Whilst I empathise with them for being duped in the way that they have been, I also place the blame squarely on their own shoulders for being so darn gullible.

I’m willing to bet that the ‘beneficiaries’ who engage in various WhatsApp groups and have regular ‘update meetings’ are not ever going to see a cent of the money they gave in good faith.

And this poor guy who posted about money that’s coming…my friend…please don’t believe everything you get told. It’s more than likely that the people who told you about this money are the same people who convinced you that the money would be here before Christmas last year. And the year before that. And the year before that…

Please accept the reality that not even the family who stand to benefit from this claim are able to get any money until the legal case has been wound up. Whether it’s by way of an out of court settlement, or in the increasingly unlikely event that they should be victorious in court.

And even IF they win the court case, the first thing that will happen is that the PIC will appeal the ruling. Immediately. And will continue appealing every ruling until every avenue at their disposal has been exhausted.

The last court appearance was not even the actual trial. It was just an appeal on behalf of the estate to get this matter to trial. So how could you possibly think that there will be a payout any time in this decade? Or even in your lifetime?

Either the people feeding you this information don’t know what’s actually happening, or they are blatantly trying to deceive you. In either scenario, please stop listening to them. They’re lying to you
 
I stumbled across this link earlier today, and out of curiosity, I read the article. Just for the hell of it, I thought I'd share this here.

If indeed this family is due to receive R1 350 000 000 000, and factoring in this morning's USD-ZAR exchange rate, then that would instantly make them the 8th richest family in the world, following closely on the heels of the family in control of the Chanel empire, and would automatically put them in the same league as the Saudi royal family...:unsure:

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Yes, I agree that putting it into perspective like that makes it sound absolutely ludicrous. The best they could hope for is an out of court settlement.

But the odds of the PIC agreeing to willingly hand over the substantial sum that the estate will inevitably demand is even more ludicrous! The fact that they’re trying their hardest to prevent this matter from going to trial instead of having it kicked out speaks volumes, and suggests that the claim presented to the court does bear at least some merit. For me though, it’s an indication that at some point, there will eventually be a settlement. These stalling tactics can’t continue indefinitely.

What’s interesting to note (at least for me) is that the PIC refused to publicly acknowledge the claim brought by this estate despite it being published in top-tier media in the form of an Afrikaans daily publication, but were very quick to issue a statement limiting their liability in the Old Mutual/Nedbank alleged fraudulent dealings. So either they view the claim by this estate to be of very little consequence, or they’ve seen the other story as an opportunity to draw attention away from the matter that is currently ongoing in the High Court.

Something is rotten in the state of Denmark…and personally, I’ll be keeping a keen eye on the outcome of this matter. And then hope that the outcome is finalised in my lifetime
 
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BusyNobody said:
Yes, I agree that putting it into perspective like that makes it sound absolutely ludicrous. The best they could hope for is an out of court settlement.

But the odds of the PIC agreeing to willingly hand over the substantial sum that the estate will inevitably demand is even more ludicrous! The fact that they’re trying their hardest to prevent this matter from going to trial instead of having it kicked out speaks volumes, and suggests that the claim presented to the court does bear at least some merit. For me though, it’s an indication that at some point, there will eventually be a settlement. These stalling tactics can’t continue indefinitely.

What’s interesting to note (at least for me) is that the PIC refused to publicly acknowledge the claim brought by this estate despite it being published in top-tier media in the form of an Afrikaans daily publication, but were very quick to issue a statement limiting their liability in the Old Mutual/Nedbank alleged fraudulent dealings. So either they view the claim by this estate to be of very little consequence, or they’ve seen the other story as an opportunity to draw attention away from the matter that is currently ongoing in the High Court.

Something is rotten in the state of Denmark…and personally, I’ll be keeping a keen eye on the outcome of this matter. And then hope that the outcome is finalised in my lifetime
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Just to clarify: an exception (what the PIC raised) IS an attempt to have the case thrown out. And they succeeded. So at present, there is no case.
 
Eti1 said:
Just to clarify: an exception (what the PIC raised) IS an attempt to have the case thrown out. And they succeeded. So at present, there is no case.
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In the same spirit that your message was sent, I’d like to point out that this legal matter became a ‘case’ as soon as a case number was assigned to it.

Also, contrary to your assertion, they have not as yet succeeded. Nor do I think that they will.

There are two valid reasons to raise an exception, viz the claim lacks averments to sustain a cause of action, and/or the claim is vague and embarrassing.

Have a look at the court judgement in which the exceptions were upheld. The judge declared that a cause of action does actually exist. This nullifies the first possible reason, as well as the second. This is essentially why that ruling was appealed. Just as I believe that any person sufficiently trained in law would. Because a cause of action exists, none of the exceptions should have been upheld. A pleading is only excipiable on the basis that no possible evidence led on the pleading can disclose a cause of action.

These guys are not really trying to have this case dismissed. Their actions, or the course of action which they have chosen to follow, leads me to believe that they’re hoping to (at the very least) have the commencement of the trial delayed on technicalities. Their ideal goal seems to be that it would never go to trial.

At no point did they present anything that would suggest the claim is not a valid one. At least this is what can be deduced from reading the court judgements.

Although I don’t believe that the amount of the claim can be successfully substantiated, all evidence points to the fact that this family has a reasonable chance of proving their case in a court of law.

I do not agree with any potential scams being run under the guise of raising funds for legal fees, but I maintain that I am keeping an eye on these proceedings to see whether the estate that filed the claim is successful.
 
BusyNobody said:
At no point did they present anything that would suggest the claim is not a valid one.
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I think in terms of "claim validity" from his/our perspective it's defined more narrowly as "The claim of Trillions of rands to Surtillionaire-alliance-of-potatoheads" rather than the Court defined "Possible Millions for Surtie/descendent"
The latter is boring and the best case scenario for this entire nothingburger
 
PsyWulf said:
I think in terms of "claim validity" from his/our perspective it's defined more narrowly as "The claim of Trillions of rands to Surtillionaire-alliance-of-potatoheads" rather than the Court defined "Possible Millions for Surtie/descendent"
The latter is boring and the best case scenario for this entire nothingburger
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Nah, I doubt the "legal" claim. Still believe it's made up nonsense.
 
Eti1 said:
Nah, I doubt the "legal" claim. Still believe it's made up nonsense.
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The basics of it seems to be valid insofar as there were some shenaniganders,but looks more like an "unclaimed funds" type of blackhole scenario than "malicious"
Far less interesting than the fantastical claims
 
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