Surtie Inheritance Scam

plainboy23 said:
Ensovoorts, en so meer, cul-de-sac
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Hopefully you haven't thrown too much into the gaping mouths of these scanners. Sad to say, warnings have been made for almost as long as the scammers have been making false "promises".
 
Wary GOM said:
Hopefully you haven't thrown too much into the gaping mouths of these scanners. Sad to say, warnings have been made for almost as long as the scammers have been making false "promises".
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Totempole said:
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OOPS! This shows I used almost the level of care in checking for typos that most scammers apply!

PS I don't see the make of this scanner. Possibly sold through MLM style of marketing and with a remuneration pyramid? ;):ROFL:
 
Wary GOM said:
OOPS! This shows I used almost the level of care in checking for typos that most scammers apply!

PS I don't see the make of this scanner. Possibly sold through MLM style of marketing and with a remuneration pyramid? ;):ROFL:
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Wary GOM said:
Hey dude, for how long have you been a hopeful recipient of riches? You really sshould at least have heard that Pastoor Johann is one of the senior members. Surely you donated to get safe houses for him, motor cars and airfares so he could keep away from people who were wanting to ask where their money had gone?
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No update yet going for 4 weeks hope is soon
 
Truth Seeker said:
Surtie claim cannot be a scam fundamental reasons

Some years ago, the two Surtie brothers moved from India to Lesotho, where they amassed a giant fortune. They also did business in SA. When the last brother died he left behind a massive unclaimed fortune in SA. When the heirs eventually appeared, it seemed that the fortune was not as big as it was supposed to be. The allegation is that in the 1980s SARB converted more than R1trillion into bonds that the PIC then bought, thereby amounting to a covered up government bailout of a bank that would become part of Absa. This would only be discovered or alleged later, as the heirs needed to appoint a private forensic investigator, Jeff Koorbanally.

A few years pass. The inheritance money is then allegedly traced to Absa. That is when things start heating up, with more and more meetings being held and more money being asked for to pay for the legal team that would allegedly negotiate with Absa’s board on the release of the money.

Pastors having almost monthly “feedback follow-up” meetings, and they are promised that the time is near for final payout.

Now you can “bless” someone by putting in even more money on behalf of other people. That is what this thing has developed into, a religious faith-fest. Faith in the lord is regarded as evidenced by faith in this business, and the pastors portray it as a blessing to be used to do good in the community. I have been to one of the church meetings, and the building was packed.

If it is indeed a scam do you really think high profiles such as Finance Minister Pravin Gordhan, ABSA CEO Maria Ramos etc will be silent while they are implicated in the forensic reports?

If it is indeed a scam do you really think the so called scammers will used the money they've apparently scammed you with and waste it on travel and accommodation and on top of it present evidence to you of their travel and meeting with ABSA?

If it is really a scam do you honestly make yourself believe that a lawyer, advocates, senior council will get themselves involved in a scam that will not only sacrifice their career, but also their families?

If it is a scam do you really believe that those people you accuse of scammers will be such idiots to (1) appoint and register a legal board of tustees? Even go further then that and appoint lawyers, advocates (Sc) to advise them & act on their mandate?

If it is a scam do you really make yourself believe that those people will spend your "hard earned" money teavelling up and down Cape Town/Joburg? What for?! Will the idea not be to pocket every cent donated?

If it is a scam do you really think those so called scammers will find themselve busy consulting with Sc on the successful reclaiming of the Surtie Inheritance and be so transparent to call for regular update meetings to keep you informed and at peace?

If it is a scam do you honestly believe they will use the pennies collected at those update meetings to spend on travel and accommodation?

The very same people you label as scammers made financial sacrifices in their commitment to the process, (sold their properties etc) compromised their families financially to honour their agreement with you and 1000's others.

Did you at any time give it a thought why the high and mighty one's, Pravin Gordhan, Maria Ramos etc, implicated in those forensic reports never made a public statement to defend their integrity? Can you extend your investigative brain to that extend?

Let me give you comfort! You don't need a single brain cell to figure that out.

You consider the Surtie matter as a scam, yet a well research/investigated report has already been tabled with the public prosecutor. Yet you want to run to the Hawks! Don't you think that is exposing yourself as a wise fool on a public platform?

It is obvious that you have limited knowledge/information on this matter. Neither do you appreciate the complexity, political and corporate powers who hold unto "their golden egg, wealth".

Please note I'm writing this post/reply in my personal capacity and non of the above necessarily reflect the opinion, viewpoint of any member of the Surtie Board or any legal representative.

This explanation above was posted some time ago by Johan Landsman.

Now stay with me as I post the unfolding facts...
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TL;DR
 
Truth Seeker said:
Surtie claim cannot be a scam fundamental reasons

Some years ago, the two Surtie brothers moved from India to Lesotho, where they amassed a giant fortune. They also did business in SA. When the last brother died he left behind a massive unclaimed fortune in SA. When the heirs eventually appeared, it seemed that the fortune was not as big as it was supposed to be. The allegation is that in the 1980s SARB converted more than R1trillion into bonds that the PIC then bought, thereby amounting to a covered up government bailout of a bank that would become part of Absa. This would only be discovered or alleged later, as the heirs needed to appoint a private forensic investigator, Jeff Koorbanally.

A few years pass. The inheritance money is then allegedly traced to Absa. That is when things start heating up, with more and more meetings being held and more money being asked for to pay for the legal team that would allegedly negotiate with Absa’s board on the release of the money.

Pastors having almost monthly “feedback follow-up” meetings, and they are promised that the time is near for final payout.

Now you can “bless” someone by putting in even more money on behalf of other people. That is what this thing has developed into, a religious faith-fest. Faith in the lord is regarded as evidenced by faith in this business, and the pastors portray it as a blessing to be used to do good in the community. I have been to one of the church meetings, and the building was packed.

If it is indeed a scam do you really think high profiles such as Finance Minister Pravin Gordhan, ABSA CEO Maria Ramos etc will be silent while they are implicated in the forensic reports?

If it is indeed a scam do you really think the so called scammers will used the money they've apparently scammed you with and waste it on travel and accommodation and on top of it present evidence to you of their travel and meeting with ABSA?

If it is really a scam do you honestly make yourself believe that a lawyer, advocates, senior council will get themselves involved in a scam that will not only sacrifice their career, but also their families?

If it is a scam do you really believe that those people you accuse of scammers will be such idiots to (1) appoint and register a legal board of tustees? Even go further then that and appoint lawyers, advocates (Sc) to advise them & act on their mandate?

If it is a scam do you really make yourself believe that those people will spend your "hard earned" money teavelling up and down Cape Town/Joburg? What for?! Will the idea not be to pocket every cent donated?

If it is a scam do you really think those so called scammers will find themselve busy consulting with Sc on the successful reclaiming of the Surtie Inheritance and be so transparent to call for regular update meetings to keep you informed and at peace?

If it is a scam do you honestly believe they will use the pennies collected at those update meetings to spend on travel and accommodation?

The very same people you label as scammers made financial sacrifices in their commitment to the process, (sold their properties etc) compromised their families financially to honour their agreement with you and 1000's others.

Did you at any time give it a thought why the high and mighty one's, Pravin Gordhan, Maria Ramos etc, implicated in those forensic reports never made a public statement to defend their integrity? Can you extend your investigative brain to that extend?

Let me give you comfort! You don't need a single brain cell to figure that out.

You consider the Surtie matter as a scam, yet a well research/investigated report has already been tabled with the public prosecutor. Yet you want to run to the Hawks! Don't you think that is exposing yourself as a wise fool on a public platform?

It is obvious that you have limited knowledge/information on this matter. Neither do you appreciate the complexity, political and corporate powers who hold unto "their golden egg, wealth".

Please note I'm writing this post/reply in my personal capacity and non of the above necessarily reflect the opinion, viewpoint of any member of the Surtie Board or any legal representative.

This explanation above was posted some time ago by Johan Landsman.

Now stay with me as I post the unfolding facts...
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Thanks so much for all the information God bless
 
I must admit - I ROFLCOPTER'd myself outside and LOL'd my way back inside after reading the below parts:

What is very clear is that South Africans have very little information on how the SARB, PIC and banks operate. South Africans are less informed or educated on how SA Bonds trading takes place as a daily occurrence.
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Followed by this fantastic piece:
15. "The ownership of the bonds was reassigned to an entity under the singular control of one person. 2001/2 introduced the splitting of the three-legged bonds. Bonds R150 and R153 were split to alter the respective identities. The new identities could assume, for example, R157, R158 and R159, rendering the original as evaporated. Splitting the bonds allowed all maturities and interest to trade independently and delink them from the original and historical context, officially discontinued. This intervention reduced the values of the Bonds for each in equal portions of three. They further stripped the Bonds into interest splits of multiples, for example, 20. So that by the envisaged time of maturity, these original bonds given the subjection to partitions and strips were virtually non-existent. They were splitting and stripping rendered each interest beneficiary different ownership."

16. "These acts of splitting followed by stripping then continued the second tier of concealment. The first was the actual money being transferred into bonds without the original owner’s permission. Interest as a financial reality is governed by constitutional legislation that guarantees the original investor the right to earn. In the instance of the bonds, interests are part twice a year. Six-month interest, therefore, is payable while the newly created bond trades for another year under another name. For every year, two people benefitted from the interest for 2001 until the envisaged maturity dates."

17. It is perhaps essential to appreciate that earning interest is a constitutionally guaranteed right for designated investors or owners of the asset. Meaning it is legal for interest to accrue and subsequently paid to the investor. With the original owner removed the new storage of the assets detailing the entities of GEPF and PIC, the interest was paid out. However, to whom remains a mystery in this intricate scheme of making the actual money firstly. Subsequently, the original bonds disappear. The challenge is that when the original owner would look for the money that made up the bonds, he is bound to run into a brick wall."

18. "As per Koorbanally’s affidavit, the discovery of what happened in 2001 unveiled the crime since, without such information, there would have been no case. The truth is the designated maturity dates for R150 and R153, immanent in 2005 and 2010 respectively, would be non-existent, rendering anyone who claims such in existence the arduous task to prove the actual existence. The specified R150 and R153 detailed specific distinguishable respective Capital and accrued Interest portions as per Koorbanally’s affidavit. This process now augmented the maturity dates. Equally so, R186, which is a derivative of the original R150 bond, was similarly split."

19."It is essential to understand that all this occurred within the PIC, now known as the Public Investment Company. The PIC reports to the Treasury, the custodian of the State, better explained as the shareholder. Koorbanally contends that while the concealment of actual money into bonds that were subsequently subjected to a complex repetitive set of splits and strips details a highly sophisticated mechanism
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Clearly these chaps have less than no clue regarding how the bond issuance/tracing/trading/settlement process works!! Forensic Investigator needs to go back to Investment101 it seems...
 
Thank you but at this point in time it's a matter of "the proof is in the pudding" so we wait for the payout. If it ever comes. Nobody tells you exactly what is happening so I think it would be fair to those that are struggling to believe that their "investments" was worth it. People paid lots and lots of money to get a better life but until now, many years later, still nothing. Ons sal maar sien...
 
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Truth Seeker said:
Surtie claim cannot be a scam fundamental reasons

Some years ago, the two Surtie brothers moved from India to Lesotho, where they amassed a giant fortune. They also did business in SA. When the last brother died he left behind a massive unclaimed fortune in SA. When the heirs eventually appeared, it seemed that the fortune was not as big as it was supposed to be. The allegation is that in the 1980s SARB converted more than R1trillion into bonds that the PIC then bought, thereby amounting to a covered up government bailout of a bank that would become part of Absa. This would only be discovered or alleged later, as the heirs needed to appoint a private forensic investigator, Jeff Koorbanally.

A few years pass. The inheritance money is then allegedly traced to Absa. That is when things start heating up, with more and more meetings being held and more money being asked for to pay for the legal team that would allegedly negotiate with Absa’s board on the release of the money.

Pastors having almost monthly “feedback follow-up” meetings, and they are promised that the time is near for final payout.

Now you can “bless” someone by putting in even more money on behalf of other people. That is what this thing has developed into, a religious faith-fest. Faith in the lord is regarded as evidenced by faith in this business, and the pastors portray it as a blessing to be used to do good in the community. I have been to one of the church meetings, and the building was packed.

If it is indeed a scam do you really think high profiles such as Finance Minister Pravin Gordhan, ABSA CEO Maria Ramos etc will be silent while they are implicated in the forensic reports?

If it is indeed a scam do you really think the so called scammers will used the money they've apparently scammed you with and waste it on travel and accommodation and on top of it present evidence to you of their travel and meeting with ABSA?

If it is really a scam do you honestly make yourself believe that a lawyer, advocates, senior council will get themselves involved in a scam that will not only sacrifice their career, but also their families?

If it is a scam do you really believe that those people you accuse of scammers will be such idiots to (1) appoint and register a legal board of tustees? Even go further then that and appoint lawyers, advocates (Sc) to advise them & act on their mandate?

If it is a scam do you really make yourself believe that those people will spend your "hard earned" money teavelling up and down Cape Town/Joburg? What for?! Will the idea not be to pocket every cent donated?

If it is a scam do you really think those so called scammers will find themselve busy consulting with Sc on the successful reclaiming of the Surtie Inheritance and be so transparent to call for regular update meetings to keep you informed and at peace?

If it is a scam do you honestly believe they will use the pennies collected at those update meetings to spend on travel and accommodation?

The very same people you label as scammers made financial sacrifices in their commitment to the process, (sold their properties etc) compromised their families financially to honour their agreement with you and 1000's others.

Did you at any time give it a thought why the high and mighty one's, Pravin Gordhan, Maria Ramos etc, implicated in those forensic reports never made a public statement to defend their integrity? Can you extend your investigative brain to that extend?

Let me give you comfort! You don't need a single brain cell to figure that out.

You consider the Surtie matter as a scam, yet a well research/investigated report has already been tabled with the public prosecutor. Yet you want to run to the Hawks! Don't you think that is exposing yourself as a wise fool on a public platform?

It is obvious that you have limited knowledge/information on this matter. Neither do you appreciate the complexity, political and corporate powers who hold unto "their golden egg, wealth".

Please note I'm writing this post/reply in my personal capacity and non of the above necessarily reflect the opinion, viewpoint of any member of the Surtie Board or any legal representative.

This explanation above was posted some time ago by Johan Landsman.

Now stay with me as I post the unfolding facts...
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You posted nothing concrete enough to be called fundamental - given plenty of scams have done far more

Quiet down
 
So why would non Surtee family get a pay out?
Biggest load of s h I t I have read in a long time.
 
Amen! So much truth in the recent posts!

Im personally donating even more money to get Profit Johann out of jail so this matter can be finalised.
 
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