Surtie Inheritance Scam

[PsyWulf]

How old are you ? 12

Just coming down to your level. Chickenshit

 

[Tman*]

Enough negativity for one day, I have received a copy of the bank statement from my upline:

 

[PsyWulf]

You know what,I won't even bother. Your disingenuous arguing isn't worth my time

Bye @BusyNobody . I'm certain there's a flat-earth convention that would appreciate your second-degree-sealioning

 

[Francois5141]

Just coming down to your level. Chickenshit

Ja ja Buzz, when i was younger this would have phased me.
No i take it from whom it comes.
To infinity and beyond.....

 

[PsyWulf]

Enough negativity for one day, I have received a copy of the bank statement from my upline:

View attachment 1519509

FAAAKE,clearly this wasn't sealed with a QUANTUM CRYPTOGRAPHY PACKAGE

 

[Speedster]

Ja ja Buzz, when i was younger this would have phased me.
No i take it from whom it comes.
To infinity and beyond.....

What's it like going to bed at night knowing you're scum of the earth?

 

[BusyNobody]

You know what,I won't even bother. Your disingenuous arguing isn't worth my time

Bye @BusyNobody . I'm certain there's a flat-earth convention that would appreciate your second-degree-sealioning

To paraphrase your own analogy:

The moon is made of cheese
This is a scam

Please substantiate your statement
Please substantiate your statement

The moon is made of cheese
This is a scam

You know what,I won't even bother.

Well, I don't suppose you will. All you've done in this thread is try and force your unsubstantiated opinion down on others in a self-opinionated manner

I'm certain there's a flat-earth convention that would appreciate your second-degree-sealioning

Okay. An individual perfectly capable of evaluating facts presented to him disagrees with you on certain points, and this is your response? But you know what? I'll grant you the benefit of the doubt. Maybe you are omniscient after all. Maybe you don't need facts to construe your perception of reality either. Maybe you're the only who's allowed to make unsubstantiated claims...

Bye @BusyNobody .

Cheers

 

[BusyNobody]

Let me say this again, documents submitted in court are part of the public record. Anyone can view them. Where are the documents you say were submitted?

Let me not say anything again, but rather just insert what I've already pointed out here...

I don't disagree. But are you alluding to or implying that if I wanted to hypothetically study the DNA report submitted by the prosecution in the hypothetical trial involving the murder of Julius Malema that all I'd need to do is submit a request to the clerk of the court and my request would be granted without delay? Or are you merely pointing out factual inconsistencies in my post?

Having that provision in the legal system and seeing it implemented in a South African court of law which exemplifies the prestigious service we enjoy as citizens are by no means the same thing.

 

[Speedster]

Let me not say anything again, but rather just insert what I've already pointed out here...

Nope diversion isn't going to fly here. If there are court submissions they are in the public record. Where are they?

 

[Eti1]

You seem to be a logical person. From a logical perspective, how plausible do you think it is that the same documents submitted to the High Court by a professional legal team have been published on a Facebook page?

I've perused this waffle, and most of it doesn't even make sense. It comes across as the mad ramblings of an irrational individual.

I've also seen supposed screenshots of the WhatsApp statuses of a key individual that contradict the reality of what the estate's official legal team are trying to achieve. Meanwhile, the person whose name is used in these fake screenshots has remained quiet while they've been passed around in several WhatsApp groups.

But okay. Legal professionals are going to publish the gist of their legal argument on a Facebook page...

I’m confused. You also seem reasonable. If you agree that most of the “evidence” floating around is made up, irrational waffle, is it not likely that the entire claim is a scam?

I have linked the particulars of claim in the Western Cape High court before, an official court document that reads exactly like all the other “evidence”but you dismissed it without engaging because according to you the real case is the Gauteng one.

Remember, the case in the Western Cape was dismissed because it was filed in the wrong court. Expensive mistake by the way. But the particulars of claim in the Gauteng case would be the same, wouldn’t it?

it’s not only the WhatsApp group evidence that is waffle, but the actual court documents are too.

 

[BusyNobody]

Nope diversion isn't going to fly here. If there are court submissions they are in the public record. Where are they?

If your need to scrutinise these documents is so urgent, and you clearly know how to secure a copy without any hiccups, then why haven't you done so yet? You might just settle this debate in an instant.

I've seen copies of the documents. I have no need to procure them. And I have no desire to satisfy someone else's desires...

 

[Francois5141]

Love to meet these guys in real life.
Must be a joke....
They have nothing, trying to get something.

 

[PsyWulf]

When @BusyNobody eventually comes back with proof of this either directly or from a participant let me know so I can remove them from ignore,I just can't be arsed arguing with dishonest people:
There are trillions available in the "account"
There was fundraising for the case
This fundraising was approved by the actual estate
There is a collective group for fundraising
You yourself are in this group
You yourself participated in this fundraising
You received a contract confirming as such
For donations of a few thousand you are eligible to receive millions

 

[BusyNobody]

I’m confused. You also seem reasonable. If you agree that most of the “evidence” floating around is made up, irrational waffle, is it not likely that the entire claim is a scam?

I have linked the particulars of claim in the Western Cape High court before, an official court document that reads exactly like all the other “evidence”but you dismissed it without engaging because according to you the real case is the Gauteng one.

Remember, the case in the Western Cape was dismissed because it was filed in the wrong court. Expensive mistake by the way. But the particulars of claim in the Gauteng case would be the same, wouldn’t it?

it’s not only the WhatsApp group evidence that is waffle, but the actual court documents are too.

You raise some very valid points here.

I'm of the opinion that it's not a scam. Whether or not it is, is for the court to decide. We can debate this on this forum as much as we want, but ultimately, the opinions we express here don't really mean anything.

My intention was not to dismiss it because it was filed in the wrong court, but to point out that what you posted was merely an outline of the claim. This needs to be read in conjunction with supporting documents that have been submitted to court, but not posted anywhere online.

I've mentioned that I've seen the court documents, but I wasn't meant to. It was shown to me as a favour to satisfy my curiosity by a friend who had access to them. This is why I'm not in a position to share what I've seen. I'm not prepared to jeopardise a friendship to satisfy anybody.

The WhatsApp groups merely spread false information. The court documents have been prepared using sound legal arguments. But again, the outcome of this will most likely be determined by the court IF it isn't settled beforehand

 

[BusyNobody]

When @BusyNobody eventually comes back with proof of this either directly or from a participant let me know so I can remove them from ignore,I just can't be arsed arguing with dishonest people:
There are trillions available in the "account"
There was fundraising for the case
This fundraising was approved by the actual estate
There is a collective group for fundraising
You yourself are in this group
You yourself participated in this fundraising
You received a contract confirming as such
For donations of a few thousand you are eligible to receive millions

And it's pink too...

 

[Speedster]

If your need to scrutinise these documents is so urgent, and you clearly know how to secure a copy without any hiccups, then why haven't you done so yet? You might just settle this debate in an instant.

I've seen copies of the documents. I have no need to procure them. And I have no desire to satisfy someone else's desires...

I haven't done so because they don't exist. It is as simple as that. And if this scheme was legit you could prove me and all the other naysayers wrong in seconds by posting the so called court documents.

Anyway, I hope you sleep well tonight knowing that you are and will be the reason for many people's ruin.

 

[Wary GOM]

By now I am way behind with this reply, but do want to pick up on specifics. Hopefully you can avoid reading it until you have dealt with what sounds like a useful matter.

That was a shorter meeting than I anticipated:

Him - Do you want more of my money?
Me - Yes. Of course
Him - Okay. Draw up the documents for the next project, and I'll have a look at it

Nevertheless, I opted not to reply to the earlier post, however:


You are correct. It is unlikely. The documentation that you and everybody else on your side of the argument have been calling for since this thread was started has been submitted to the High Court as part of an ongoing matter. Your assertion is that this documentation does not exist. The fact that it was submitted to the High Court to substantiate a claim opposes that theory (because in essence, that's what it is - a theory) vehemently. Look at any other High Court matter that has not yet been finalised...the details are not made known to the public. Admittedly, a press release is issued, but this information is extremely limited at best.

Careful here. As I have tried to point out a number of times, there are TWO issues that are intertwined. Mr Koorbanally has submitted documents to court for getting the money supposedly with PIC and these are surely real. There are supposed to be agreement documents between people collecting donations and a) Mr Koorbanally and b) the donors. THESE are the ones in question and which have never been seen and upon which at least some scams are based.

[Somewhere, I read that early in the saga, there were also donations made directly to Mr Koorbanally for the investigation. These can fairly reasonably be presumed to be genuine and most probably are from whence the promise of a 20% return comes.]

There are ALSO the documents for the latest court case to get access to 2 accounts in ABSA bank. These documents are real, but there is no clarity as to how the contents of the bank accounts that were surrendered are tied to the PIC case. Hence, at this point, it is unclear whether whatever was in these bank accounts is only indirectly related to the PIC matter or whether it is part of the trillions.

It's your prerogative to claim this as whatever you choose to. But that does not mean that your deduction is necessarily accurate. Just as you have not been provided proof that this is not a scam, you've also made very strong claims that it is a scam. Therefore, the burden of proof for your assertion, also lies with you (albeit to a lesser degree).

True, but there is strong evidence in the production of debunked lawyers letters and even at some early stage, attempt to link the McSherry (MCsherry in the court papers) in the recent case to a legal and Real Estate firm in Scotland. So for many of the donation schemes going around, there are at least the appearance of a duck and the gait of a duck. But you are correct: PROOF still requires that it quacks.

Now let me get cracking on these documents so that my weekend isn't wasted

 

[Wary GOM]

Explain this bit to me: Even if by some miraculous state of affairs these funds are released to the claimants, why on earth would they share it with anybody?

That is why we all keep asking for evidence that the donors actually have legal claim to any money. As far as I can see, only those donors who had agreements with Mr Koorbanally (on behalf Mrs Surtie, NOT Mr Mcsherry of the most recent court case) have some kind of legal claims.

 

[Wary GOM]

Because is they don't i will make sure everybody knows it.
BUT these people are honest and wile everybody is talking shite about them they are working their behinds of to get it sorted.

So why are they still asking for more donations?

 

[BusyNobody]

I haven't done so because they don't exist. It is as simple as that. And if this scheme was legit you could prove me and all the other naysayers wrong in seconds by posting the so called court documents.

Anyway, I hope you sleep well tonight knowing that you are and will be the reason for many people's ruin.

And you've deduced this because you've approached the court and you were told this? Or do you also just know these things?

And yes. I disagree with you on the authenticity of a court case, so that naturally makes me a scammer. Nice