Symbian Belle > Android

[Elimentals]

Blah bla di blah

On mobile security, if you are IT and dont get your company to spring for something like http://www.mobileiron.com/en/multi-os-management/android-management to use on company phones, you deserve to lose your data period, oh and this goes for Symbian, Windows or even iPhone.

If its on users Android phones, its your problem for not teaching them how to use things like Lookout -> https://www.mylookout.com/features

As for Exchange, using things like http://www.nitrodesk.com/features.aspx beats the crap out of any mobile phone solution.

and if you complain saying its not part of the OS well fine, I guess you use Notepad instead of office for your documents as well?

 

[TJ99]

Lol! As I posted in the N8 thread, Symbian Belle has nothing "stolen" from Android.

Pull-down notification area? On Maemo before Android.
Resizable widgets? On Maemo before Android.
Flat menu? On Maemo before Android.

And Maemo was developed with support from Nokia. Why are some Android users so quick to shout the odds?! :wtf:

On mobile security, if you are IT and dont get your company to spring for something like http://www.mobileiron.com/en/multi-os-management/android-management to use on company phones, you deserve to lose your data period, oh and this goes for Symbian, Windows or even iPhone.

If its on users Android phones, its your problem for not teaching them how to use things like Lookout -> https://www.mylookout.com/features

As for Exchange, using things like http://www.nitrodesk.com/features.aspx beats the crap out of any mobile phone solution.

and if you complain saying its not part of the OS well fine, I guess you use Notepad instead of office for your documents as well?

Mmm... wait, are you agreeing or arguing with me? Because it's not clear.

 

[Elimentals]

Mmm... wait, are you agreeing or arguing with me? Because it's not clear.

/me waves hand

That was not the comment I was looking for

 

[Carbon_Fibre]

blah blah blah Android Fanboi mumbo jumbo

You not hearing me. Is there any point debating you. you are like those fools who customize the 'rides' with all sorts of ridiculous supermarket accessories including that horrendous orange paint, green racing stripes and neon light around the number plate or under the car, but can't keep their cars straight because their control arm busches are fcked, shocks are worn, alignments off, etc etc etc

In case you missed it Android is growing at a crazy rate. that means it is not solely the domain of tinkerer fanbois like you.

some people want things simple and efficient. sorry you find that so disgusting. Nokia/symbian has been refined over a considerable time. there are benefits to that. apple is polished in most ways but there are holes. you have to give Nokia credit for doing the basics right.

 

[Carbon_Fibre]

and if you complain saying its not part of the OS well fine, I guess you use Notepad instead of office for your documents as well?

that's a stupid example, because security is a basic requirement. some people don't need office, they only use pc's to download animal porn or post fanboi comments

 

[Carbon_Fibre]

fyi all android fanbois, I posted the thread in the cellular category not the android sub category. I really didn't need to waste time replying to Fanboi tinkerers

 

[Carbon_Fibre]

Carbon go ahead and pre cache the area you live and work into google maps, yes you can do it. Secondly google maps are vector maps and use a tiny amount of data.

Things are improving so quickly on android that these days that it is hard to keep up I guess but everything you have mentioned already exists on android.

Symbian is dead. We have already had it's funeral and spread its' ashes, best to follow the new leaders.

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yes I heard you can pre cache the data but haven't tried it. question, do you switch off data? will it still use the cell network (agps) to pick your location?

I know android is improving all the time but you don't always get os updates quickly (Samsung). so if you sitting on an older version as some people are that won't help you

yes I know symbian is dead. I acknowledged it in my op. that doesn't mean you can't give credit for something good. pity the fanbois get so defensive.

 

[Tsepz_GP]

Lol! As I posted in the N8 thread, Symbian Belle has nothing "stolen" from Android.

Pull-down notification area? On Maemo before Android.
Resizable widgets? On Maemo before Android.
Flat menu? On Maemo before Android.

And Maemo was developed with support from Nokia. Why are some Android users so quick to shout the odds?! :wtf:

Didnt Maemo officialy debut in the N900, a whole year after the 1st Android? By the the time N900 was announced we had the Motorola Drnid being announced.

 

[Carbon_Fibre]

1. Yes, clicking a few times is a herculean effort. Fortunately you don't have to install anything since remote wipe is a standard feature of Android.

2. If someone is retarded enough to store confidential information on any smartphone, pc or any other internet-connected device without taking security measures, they don't deserve that device. Also, see point 1. Also, Android inherits the Exchange server's security policy when you set up the account. You don't know Android.

3. Not much. I used almost 20MB today Streetviewing a hell of a lot of places. Also, you can download any maps available for Symbian or Nüvi devices and use those in a myriad of ways with the right program. You clearly don't know Android.

4. It's not. wtf are you talking about? have you ever really used an Android phone? You don't know Android.

5. Android tabs are ****. They're giant cellphones with much fewer pixels per area on the screen and the camera, just like Apple tabs. If you want a phone, use a phone. If you want a tablet PC, get a proper (older) one running Windows. You don't get the point of Android.

6. Well you can either not look at ads, or get an (also free) ad blocker. I know, googling is teh hard. I actually sort of agree with you that gaming is not a major point, but then again, it seems you just don't understand Android.

7. It seems more like you need an iphone now, rather than a Blackberry. Let someone else make your decisions for you, don't worry about installing the right thing or leaving important data on your phone. Uncle Steve will delete it if some naughty children steal it. Provided you synced with his service everytime and paid your club dues.

did you hear about the malware on the android market recently? to be more secure, I'll choose a default factory app. thanks

not everyone wants to root their phone, that too offers security risks besides voiding your warranty.

ill take your word for it about windows tabs being better than android tabs. I'm sure your experience posting your Fanboi comments have been much more pleasurable on your windows tab

 

[Carbon_Fibre]

@tj99, is the calendar really linked to the task list on all versions of android? so why was gtask recommended?

not everyone uses exchange. lots of people only have access to outlook. have you read up on the issues by apps that sync with outlook?

so my point in giving credit to Nokia with regards to the task list is its dead simple. the task list is linked to the calendar, it can be displayed on the home screen, it can be synced easily and accurately with outlook using pc suite. add to this the notes are linked, it makes life so easy. no worries about evernote or similar app.

now consider with android, for tasks I have to download a task app for my version of android (2.2). pay for a version so I don't have to look at ads since I don't want to root my phone, put up with bugs because these developers don't have the same strict standards as Nokia/Google/etc and update constantly because there's so many bugs and who knows how many security flaws. then I have to download and pay for an app which can sync my task and calendar with Outlook. unfortunately despite all this, it doesn't sync accurately creating some duplicate entries and lots of frustration, not to mention the odd false deletion (know what that can cost?)

notice a difference? maybe this an android fanbois wet dream but to normal people this is irritating.

so i'll give credit to Nokia where its due even it rubs you the wrong way.

 

[Jab]

fyi all android fanbois, I posted the thread in the cellular category not the android sub category. I really didn't need to waste time replying to Fanboi tinkerers

If you're going to create a topic such as "Symbian Belle > Android" you should not be surprised if people disagree.

 

[Ockie]

Lol, agreed! Maemo's an operating system the Nokia N900 uses.

Was also meant tongue in cheeck.

 

[Elimentals]

that's a stupid example, because security is a basic requirement. some people don't need office, they only use pc's to download animal porn or post fanboi comments

Oh so I guess nobody install software on their pc's and they use it as is, with no anti virus or any 3rd party software, my bad I didn't know that.

I personally think you should be more upset with the crap manufacturer you selected instead of Android. My HTC Desire HD came with Route 66 voice navigation, HTC Sync to sync with outlook, Quickoffice to edit office documents and all, as for security it came with HTCSense remote wipe and locating service. All of which I wiped because I prefer to use my own selection of software, because you know in the smartphone world we can do that.

fyi all android fanbois, I posted the thread in the cellular category not the android sub category. I really didn't need to waste time replying to Fanboi tinkerers

You can not seriously think that with a subject you chose the Android "fanboys" should ignore it. Its kind of like saying "Carbon_Fibre is a idiot with below average IQ" and expect that you should not defend that statement because I was talking to the other Android "fanboys" in here.

 

[Carbon_Fibre]

If you're going to create a topic such as "Symbian Belle > Android" you should not be surprised if people disagree.

I have no problem with people disagreeing, but I do have a problem with Fanbois posting things like you don't know Android. Just because something is possible doesn't mean is easy, practical or efficient. These fanbois can't even actual any shortcomings or give credit to things done well by other platforms.

 

[Carbon_Fibre]

Oh so I guess nobody install software on their pc's and they use it as is, with no anti virus or any 3rd party software, my bad I didn't know that.

Oh dear. PC's are completely different to smartphone. For a start, you have to pay for your OS (Windows), then you have to pay for your software Office, Accounting (I am excluding Open Source). The majority of people are used to this model as opposed the smartphone model in which most people don't pay for apps - they just use the free apps. In fact, except for Apple's App Store, most of the other 'markets' aren't doing all that well. Yes, Android is growing but if you actually look at the number of people pay for on Android, it's much much less than Apple. Plus, on a PC, you pay R300/R1000/R3000/etc for software which is professionally built by Software houses as opposed to Mobile apps where you pay R10/R20/R50 for apps by small time developers whose apps have endless bugs and holes. So my point is, there should be these basic apps built in.

I personally think you should be more upset with the crap manufacturer you selected instead of Android. My HTC Desire HD came with Route 66 voice navigation, HTC Sync to sync with outlook, Quickoffice to edit office documents and all, as for security it came with HTCSense remote wipe and locating service. All of which I wiped because I prefer to use my own selection of software, because you know in the smartphone world we can do that..

I'm glad you brought up this up. That's actually a big problem with Android. So many different versions by each manufacturer. That's a major problem which Google have acknowledged. How many manufacturers offer a similar remote wipe feature that HTC offers? So despite defending Android so tirelessly, you could at least acknowledge something Nokia does well

You can not seriously think that with a subject you chose the Android "fanboys" should ignore it. Its kind of like saying "Carbon_Fibre is a idiot with below average IQ" and expect that you should not defend that statement because I was talking to the other Android "fanboys" in here.

Shame you Fanbois really are an insecure bunch. Heaven forbid someone criticise your beloved OS. I am willing to give praise or criticism where it's due on any platform/OS. Perhaps you FANBOIS should seek some advice on how you to hide your Fanboi symptoms, it really is quite embarrassing.

 

[Shayd]

/ thread officially derailed /

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[Elimentals]

Oh dear. PC's are completely different to smartphone. For a start, you have to pay for your OS (Windows), then you have to pay for your software Office, Accounting (I am excluding Open Source). The majority of people are used to this model as opposed the smartphone model in which most people don't pay for apps - they just use the free apps. In fact, except for Apple's App Store, most of the other 'markets' aren't doing all that well. Yes, Android is growing but if you actually look at the number of people pay for on Android, it's much much less than Apple. Plus, on a PC, you pay R300/R1000/R3000/etc for software which is professionally built by Software houses as opposed to Mobile apps where you pay R10/R20/R50 for apps by small time developers whose apps have endless bugs and holes. So my point is, there should be these basic apps built in.

Soooo many mistakes in that post I dont even know where to start, but as Shayd said, thread derailed so I will just leave you with one comment.

Live in your world where you think the dying OS is better and I live in mine where Windows Phone, Android and iOS is taking over with no end in sight.

 

[Carbon_Fibre]

Soooo many mistakes in that post I dont even know where to start, but as Shayd said, thread derailed so I will just leave you with one comment.

So you say

Live in your world where you think the dying OS is better and I live in mine where Windows Phone, Android and iOS is taking over with no end in sight.

WTF I never said that. I acknowledged Symbian was dead, Nokia has efectively killed it. I would have preferred if they developed there own completely new version of Symbian or a completely new OS rather than tying up MS. I said Sybian Belle (1 Version) would be better for me than current phone options (running Android 2.2). I never said Symbian was a better OS than android. Perhaps I should have been clearer in my OP, but in my subsequent posts, all I tried to do was point out some good features I missed (which were efficiently delivered) on my old Nokia 5800, but the Fanbois come and attack me .

Android is not perfect, you fanbois should stop acting like it is

 

[Elimentals]

@Carbon_Fibre your fanboy vision is blinding you to my arguments, go back and actually read my posts.

Do I enjoy android yes, because its open, but that is not the point I was arguing in fact I am one of the few that would argue that android has its faults, just go through my posts and you will see for example: posts like this or this just for starters

What I am saying as a developer and no not one of those one man shows, in fact we have a developer company based in New Zealand with over 15 developers, is that the new smartphone market is better for everyone. Instead of being forced to use the OEM products like old feature and dumb phones user now have a choice of what they want to use, and developers can make a living selling that software.

I wonder who is the real fanboy here?

 

[Carbon_Fibre]

What I am saying as a developer and no not one of those one man shows, in fact we have a developer company based in New Zealand with over 15 developers, is that the new smartphone market is better for everyone. Instead of being forced to use the OEM products like old feature and dumb phones user now have a choice of what they want to use, and developers can make a living selling that software.

I have no problem with this. I agree that developers developing apps is a good thing. I have never objected to that. However, for the most basic stuff like the task list and remote wipe feature, it should be standard on Android. That's the point I was making (and praising Nokia for this) when I was attacked by fanboi tinkerers who think every single person roots their phone.

Good for you and 15 developers but the Android market is a mess. Google needs to introduce a better way to manage the marketplace. A better grading system, an advisor function, etc. I understand they can't be seen to favour certain developers or apps but there are ways to make the marketplace better. Perhaps encourage Manufacturers to provide guides on good/required apps