Table(t) Mountain

Park@82 said:
I love Honeycomb, but I guess I am not used to anything better?
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Honeycomb SUCKS... well the launcher that is

I bought https://market.android.com/details?id=org.adwfreak.launcher some time ago, was the best dam investment for my tablet ever. This is one thing I dont understand about Android, I love it for the functionality but dont get why the OEM launchers lag so much when you compare it to the commercial ones on the market.

For example if you look at SPB Shell 3D vs Sense on phones it just boggles my mind why OEM's would cripple Android the way they do.

With all that said, I still prefer Android to iOS just based on pure functionality.
 
BeVonk! said:
Elimentals, many thanks for that launcher link. Much much better.
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My SGT P7500 doesn't like the app. Returning to the home screen takes forever after using an app (like e-mail) and the tablet becomes much slower in general. Pity! I like it a lot.

With the aspect ratio of the SGT P7500 being different from that of other slates I now experience the challenges Android face first-hand. Serious need for standardisation. I can't even get a simple thing like wallpapers right. All kinds of frustrations. Honeycomb to me feels like an unfinished OS. Very different from Gingerbread. Gingerbread is a joy to use. I'm sure the power and good stuff will come through but I must be honest and say that Apple's iPad is - in my opinion - the better tablet by some distance. Honeycomb is a poor effort from Google and the sales reflect this.

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BeVonk! said:
My SGT P7500 doesn't like the app. Returning to the home screen takes forever after using an app (like e-mail) and the tablet becomes much slower in general. Pity! I like it a lot.

With the aspect ratio of the SGT P7500 being different from that of other slates I now experience the challenges Android face first-hand. Serious need for standardisation. I can't even get a simple thing like wallpapers right. All kinds of frustrations. Honeycomb to me feels like an unfinished OS. Very different from Gingerbread. Gingerbread is a joy to use. I'm sure the power and good stuff will come through but I must be honest and say that Apple's iPad is - in my opinion - the better tablet by some distance. Honeycomb is a poor effort from Google and the sales reflect this.

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Lemme guess you still on 3.0?
 
Elimentals said:
Lemme guess you still on 3.0?
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3.1 :-)

Question: My iPad's charger has a 2.1A / 5.1V output. My SGT has a 2.0A / 5.0V output. Will that extra 0.1A / 0.1V of the iPad charger do any harm to the SGT? I bought myself a nice travel charger for the iPhone and iPad that can charge both at the same time. Will be cool if I can now charge both slates using one charger.

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From here: http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20110829PD210.html

Samsung Electronics, despite refuting reports it plans to take over Hewlett-Packard's (HP's) PC business, reportedly has already recruited HP's ex-vice president of PSG marketing Raymond Wah to handle Samsung's PC sales, and the company is also reportedly considering purchasing webOS to compete head on against Apple and Google, according to sources from notebook players.

Both HP and Samsung have declined to comment about the purchase of webOS.

The sources noted that the acquisition of HP's PC business, which has a rather low gross margin, may turn out to hurt Samsung's panel and DRAM businesses that have rather high gross margins, therefor HP's webOS may be the target that Samsung has the most interest in.

In addition, Google's acquisition of Motorola, which may seriously threaten hardware brand vendors, could also trigger Samsung to purchase webOS as a counter measure, the sources added.
 
I've said this on here before: Samsung needs something like webOS to rid itself from its Google/MS masters. Bada is not the answer ... webOS will be. I hope this happens.
 
Not tying yourself to hardware manufacturing allows you a certain amount of flexibility and freedom without any significant amount of capital and even if it is negatively recieved by the consumer, the loss is minimal and more directed towards the hardware manufacturer.
That being said that the purchase of Motorola by Google will allow them a distinct advantage to develop for their own hardware.
Samsung does have Bada in the pipeline still and it would be interesting to see what they do with that if anything at all.

We then also have to wait for the expected Nokia/Microsoft hybrid to come out...which is going to change things even further considering that sony is releasing their S1 and S2 tablets in the next few months and since the tablet is Playstation games certified, we can expect Microsoft to jump at the opportunity.

I am looking forward for the next few months for the tablet market, its going to be all kinds of interesting:
Google VS Apple VS Samsung VS Sony VS Microsoft

A spanner in the works could be RIM. If they are available for purchase...well, that changes a lot of things. :D
 
BeVonk! said:
I've said this on here before: Samsung needs something like webOS to rid itself from its Google/MS masters. Bada is not the answer ... webOS will be. I hope this happens.
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I doubt it.
They have spent too much money on the Bada development to just throw it away and it is a stable little OS and could be nifty for tablets.
 
One thing most people forget is that Android is Open Source. Sure Honeycomb source was not released yet but that wont stop Samsung making their own version.

Samsung can just go to http://source.android.com/source/index.html download it, and fork. IE: dont send amendments to Open Handset Alliance, yes they will lose their standing in the alliance but nothing stops them of making their own version.

See Xiaomi doing just that, they have a Android build Based on Cyanogenmod with no upstream updates to main Android and even releasing their own phone. Seen http://www.engadget.com/2011/08/16/xiaomi-m1-with-miui-os-a-310-phone-with-1-5ghz-dual-core-soc-a/

They even release roms for people to flash their own phones with their own development house. Samsung can do exactly the same the moment they dont want to play by Google's rules.

To many people are trying to make a mountain off a mole heap.
 
Elimentals said:
One thing most people forget is that Android is Open Source. Sure Honeycomb source was not released yet but that wont stop Samsung making their own version.

Samsung can just go to http://source.android.com/source/index.html download it, and fork. IE: dont send amendments to Open Handset Alliance, yes they will lose their standing in the alliance but nothing stops them of making their own version.

See Xiaomi doing just that, they have a Android build Based on Cyanogenmod with no upstream updates to main Android and even releasing their own phone. Seen http://www.engadget.com/2011/08/16/xiaomi-m1-with-miui-os-a-310-phone-with-1-5ghz-dual-core-soc-a/

They even release roms for people to flash their own phones with their own development house. Samsung can do exactly the same the moment they dont want to play by Google's rules.

To many people are trying to make a mountain off a mole heap.
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Good points Elimentals.
Very good points! :D
 
Elimentals, I do agree, and MIUI is a good example of what is possible. I do however believe (personal opinion) that webOS is a very smart/sleek OS that can stand up to iOS, WP and Android and actually beat them. Samsung will immediately have a winner. All webOS requires is good hardware (which HP failed to do). Who better than Samsung to put the right hardware under webOS?
 
BeVonk! said:
Elimentals, I do agree, and MIUI is a good example of what is possible. I do however believe (personal opinion) that webOS is a very smart/sleek OS that can stand up to iOS, WP and Android and actually beat them. Samsung will immediately have a winner. All webOS requires is good hardware (which HP failed to do). Who better than Samsung to put the right hardware under webOS?
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I am not saying its a bad OS, the problem with it as with any software is the question if its worth it. The capital outlay to make it work is huge, just ask HP that is 4 times the size of Samsung. The reason they droped it is because it cost them money.

The reason the Android world succeeds is because of the same money aspect, you dont need to employ 10 000 programers. You dont need to build your own drivers for every component that goes into the device, you dont need to market the OS to application developers. Its already done for you, and the bonus is you get the OS for free, well that is if you can sort out the legalities witch will be even worse if you start your own OS because instead of the now 3 you will have to fight on 4 fronts.

Android, iOS, Windows Phone and RIM will come knocking on your patent door. HP had their own Patent portfolio so people thought twice before attacking them. If Samsung goes WebOS with no patients they may as well open the cheque book on release day.
 
I don't think HP was left out of the patent fights because of their patent portfolio. The patent trolls go for anyone, especially the big boys because there lies the big money. I also believe that if HP were to sell or license webOS it would include a patent covering as far as HP patents go.

Your are correct that Android offers a far bigger development base and Google certification need not be such a big deal (considering MIUI). Samsung should then consider MIUI.

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BeVonk! said:
I don't think HP was left out of the patent fights because of their patent portfolio. The patent trolls go for anyone, especially the big boys because there lies the big money. I also believe that if HP were to sell or license webOS it would include a patent covering as far as HP patents go.

Your are correct that Android offers a far bigger development base and Google certification need not be such a big deal (considering MIUI). Samsung should then consider MIUI.
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You might be right in that patent troll's only go after big boys and in this case it reads diffrent to what you mean, ie: WebOS was not big enough to go after with patent suites just yet. Example Android had very little patent cases when it was still up and coming, only once it hit stardom did the trolls start attacking in force. On selling patents with the OS, HP would probably include some of the patents it dont need but I dont think for a second it would let go on any of the patents it could use to defend itself on.

MIUI is great as long as they stay out of USA. If you think Samsung UI looks like iOS you should not even think about MIUI as it is a blatant knock-off of iOS and Symbian features. But then again there is a loophole that Xiaomi use all to well, nothing prevents you from uploading it to the net and let users download and install it themselves.

I mean just look at this theme you can get on it. Personally I use this one.
 
Go to BestBuy and get your hands on the toshiba handybook - the advert says it does everything the Apple does, at half the price!
 
Hmmm HP TouchPad Becomes #2 Selling Tablet and Will Get Updates

http://gizmodo.com/5835758/hp-touchpad-becomes-2-selling-tablet-and-will-get-updates

The H in HP must stand for Highlander because the TouchPad cannot freaking die! Even when HP cut off its oxygen, what happens? It becomes the second-best selling tablet in the world! Now HP says they have some updates planned.

Let's not get too carried away here. First off, the article at Fast Company about the TouchPad reaching number two is somewhat speculative, as exact sales figures are hard to come by. Companies boast about how many they shipped, but tend to plead the 5th with it comes to how many they've actually sold. The article claims that the TouchPad will be the first non-Apple tablet to sell more than 500,000 units. It must be noted that 2nd place is miles away from first place. Apple has sold approximately 27.7 million iPads. While progress amongst the competition is definitely a good thing, it's important to note that the only way HP managed to sell these things was by knocking it down to $99. While yes, of course, tablet-makers must find the sweet spot between price and features in order to compete with Apple's 800-pound gorilla, but getting rid of your inventory by selling it at an 80% discount is not a practical business model. It's just trying to minimize blood-loss a little.

Elsewhere on the interwebs, an HP representative told CNET, "We expect that HP TouchPad owners can look forward to an over-the-air update that will enhance the platform and add functionality and a growing applications catalog." There were no details about exactly what this update would do, or when it would be, but still, it's an update. This is great news for current TouchPad owners, of course, but it raises the question: if HP is going to keep updating the software for this thing, why the hell are they going to stop making them!? Oh, wait, maybe they won't. Now an HP exec is claiming that they could potentially resurrect the TouchPad.

Say whaaaaat? I mean, the concept is exciting, but what's the plan here? Nobody buys them for $500 or $400, then everybody buys them at $99. How about, sayyyyy $300? What do you guys think? People are paying $300 on eBay for TouchPads, wouldn't you pay $300 for the TouchPad 2?
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Comes back to the age old question, what must android do to boost sales. Like I said some time ago, they should just drop prices. People dont care about features or design, just how much it will hurt the wallet.
 
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