Telkom ADSL Self Install Refused - Fibre Optic issue?

Cleric

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I recently (after a year of battling) had my Telkom phone line installed, with the intention of using it for ADSL. The same day the tech did the install I called Telkom to order ADSL. I was told I will have to pay the R600 tech install because self install "was not an option".

After being told an ADSL tech would call me to explain why (6 times) I have been told (by the sales department) that the issue is because my exchange is running on fibre. Here is the kicker - the last person I spoke to says they have to REMOVE THE FIBRE TO REPLACE IT WITH COPPER.

When I asked why they were replacing the superior fibre (which is definitely NOT running to my house) with copper I was told "fibre is plastic, you see".

Seriously? Am I insane or does this sound like a bull excuse to charge me R600 to fix a line I just got last month.
 
tell them you wanna self install & if you don't get it right you will call for a techie to do it.

Otherwise go to one of the telkom shops & ask them.
 
The problem is they are pretty adamant that I cannot do a self install.
 
No idea what the Telkom people are talking about. If you opt out of a self-install, all that means is some guy comes to your house, plugs in your router and makes sure it's working. That's it. If you need a cable layed to your house or telephone points installed, that is something completely different.
 
@stevenv That's what I thought. So far my experience with Telkom has been nothing short of a nightmare, everyone passing the buck and no-one putting me through to anyone who actually knows anything.
 
did you speak to someone at their shop? if you get the fibre story there you have a face and name you can tell to stop talking nonsense and demand a better explanation
 
I had this issue on my install a few years ago. There was fibre from the main exchange to the mini exchange about 500 m from my gate. From the mini exchange to my house there is a copper line. At the mini exchange, some equipment needs to be installed to convert the line from a normal voice line to voice+adsl. That's why a techie has to come out. It may take him/her 5 mins but for that call out you get charged. He/she also has to come in and check the stats on the line when this conversion takes place.

What I did was do the install on my side, hooked up the router and did the configuration. When the techie came out to the house it was all done. All he did was check the line stats and left. No work and I wasn't charged.
 
I had this issue on my install a few years ago. There was fibre from the main exchange to the mini exchange about 500 m from my gate. From the mini exchange to my house there is a copper line. At the mini exchange, some equipment needs to be installed to convert the line from a normal voice line to voice+adsl. That's why a techie has to come out. It may take him/her 5 mins but for that call out you get charged. He/she also has to come in and check the stats on the line when this conversion takes place.

What I did was do the install on my side, hooked up the router and did the configuration. When the techie came out to the house it was all done. All he did was check the line stats and left. No work and I wasn't charged.

Maybe the OP could try that then
 
Thanks everyone for the explanations - what took me a week of calling Telkom every day (with no luck) gets answered in an hour on MBB. I am definitely not happy with Telkom charging for this though - I had to go through weeks of waiting and 3 tech visits before the cabling was even in a state that I could get my line, and now I have to pay extra for a tech to come and do what I requested when I applied - I don't think so.
 
Ok let me explain to you what is going on. In a normal exchange you have the ports where your tel no is working on. This is on a connection point called the main distrubution frame or MDF. Some where on the same MDF is the underground cables that goes out in all different direction to link up to clients premises. Normally a port is wired to a cable pair to provide service. When you apply for the line to be converted to ADSL the ADSL ports is also terminated on another place on the same MDF but with a in and out block. They now need to disconnect your cable side from the connecting wire and connect the telephone no port to the in of the ADSL block and from the out block they need to connect another wire to the cable again to reconnect your service.

On the mini exchanges it works a little bit different. They have two types of the mini exchanges. The older type that has a card with 6 users on in the exchange and a simillar card on the outside at the mini exchange. This card in the exchange get hard wired to telephone ports 1 to 1 on the MDF at the main exchange and their purpose is to convert the line to optics. On the outside the card do the reversal and from the mini exchange they run on copper to the house again. In this setup you have different cards ie for normal telephone line, ISDN, DAT cicuits for bussiness and ADSL cards. In the newer mini exchange you no longer have physical cards with 6 user on in the main exchange to link to the mini exchange. Certain position on the exchange equipment is now allocated to the different service types. On the outside you still have different cards for the different types of services.

This means in the normal exchange when you apply for a convertion someone just need to wire in the ADSL equipment. On the mini exchange however they need to move the wire in the older type to a new position inside the exchange as well as at the mini exchange side and for that they have to drive out to do it. On the newer mini exchange they have to remove your tel no from the old telephone port and reprogram your telephone number onto the ADSL card in the mini exchange and have to send someone out to that mini exchange to move the wire to the new port also. As self install is a way for them to save time and use a tech for something else and they cannot do it in this instance they don't allow a self install on this mini exchanges.

Another thing. This mini exchanges allow Telkom to provide service in areas where they never would be able to provide it due to distance constrains. They also now can provide higher speeds ADSL in this far of areas. I do however heard that currently they will not up the 4 megs services on this exchange to 10 meg even if the client is less than a kilometer from the mini exchange. This can only be due to the cards in the mini exchange that can not handle the higher speeds. Also be very carefull of the Billion 400 router of Telkom. It doesn't work on 4 meg profile on this mini exchanges. Most of the other router work perfect on a 4 meg profile but the 400 run so much errors that it refuses to verify the username and password although the line sync perfectly. Replace the modem with a private Billion or Netgear or Duoplus and it works a OK.
 
The other option is to apply for your ADSL line through an ISP like Axxess, which is then self-install by default. I'm not sure how Telkom will handle it in that case.
 
Ok let me explain to you what is going on. In a normal exchange you have the ports where your tel no is working on. This is on a connection point called the main distrubution frame or MDF. Some where on the same MDF is the underground cables that goes out in all different direction to link up to clients premises. Normally a port is wired to a cable pair to provide service. When you apply for the line to be converted to ADSL the ADSL ports is also terminated on another place on the same MDF but with a in and out block. They now need to disconnect your cable side from the connecting wire and connect the telephone no port to the in of the ADSL block and from the out block they need to connect another wire to the cable again to reconnect your service.

On the mini exchanges it works a little bit different. They have two types of the mini exchanges. The older type that has a card with 6 users on in the exchange and a simillar card on the outside at the mini exchange. This card in the exchange get hard wired to telephone ports 1 to 1 on the MDF at the main exchange and their purpose is to convert the line to optics. On the outside the card do the reversal and from the mini exchange they run on copper to the house again. In this setup you have different cards ie for normal telephone line, ISDN, DAT cicuits for bussiness and ADSL cards. In the newer mini exchange you no longer have physical cards with 6 user on in the main exchange to link to the mini exchange. Certain position on the exchange equipment is now allocated to the different service types. On the outside you still have different cards for the different types of services.

This means in the normal exchange when you apply for a convertion someone just need to wire in the ADSL equipment. On the mini exchange however they need to move the wire in the older type to a new position inside the exchange as well as at the mini exchange side and for that they have to drive out to do it. On the newer mini exchange they have to remove your tel no from the old telephone port and reprogram your telephone number onto the ADSL card in the mini exchange and have to send someone out to that mini exchange to move the wire to the new port also. As self install is a way for them to save time and use a tech for something else and they cannot do it in this instance they don't allow a self install on this mini exchanges.

Another thing. This mini exchanges allow Telkom to provide service in areas where they never would be able to provide it due to distance constrains. They also now can provide higher speeds ADSL in this far of areas. I do however heard that currently they will not up the 4 megs services on this exchange to 10 meg even if the client is less than a kilometer from the mini exchange. This can only be due to the cards in the mini exchange that can not handle the higher speeds. Also be very carefull of the Billion 400 router of Telkom. It doesn't work on 4 meg profile on this mini exchanges. Most of the other router work perfect on a 4 meg profile but the 400 run so much errors that it refuses to verify the username and password although the line sync perfectly. Replace the modem with a private Billion or Netgear or Duoplus and it works a OK.

Good post and this might explain my situation. The exchange supports 10meg but the mini exchange does not (although the rude support guy at telkom only said that my line is the problem).
 
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