Telkom considers suing Icasa over spectrum

Maybe so, but in the wrong bands and for different usage.

There are many phones that support 2300 TD LTE, but if they dont sell them, then I am not sure what they expected. They have now also started doing LTE in 1800 which all South African LTE phones support. I am assuming they also have spectrum in 900mhz/2100mhz for 3G? Vodacom only has 900, 2100 and 1800 and they are trying to get as much out of 1800 for LTE as possible without degrading 2G. I personally would just switch off 1800 2 and use it all for LTE and let 2G run on 900. But considering how few customers Telkom has got compared to the other big three, they have a crap load of spectrum in my view.
 
There are many phones that support 2300 TD LTE, but if they dont sell them, then I am not sure what they expected. They have now also started doing LTE in 1800 which all South African LTE phones support. I am assuming they also have spectrum in 900mhz/2100mhz for 3G? Vodacom only has 900, 2100 and 1800 and they are trying to get as much out of 1800 for LTE as possible without degrading 2G. I personally would just switch off 1800 2 and use it all for LTE and let 2G run on 900. But considering how few customers Telkom has got compared to the other big three, they have a crap load of spectrum in my view.

Don't limit your argument to mobile phones... spectrum allocation is much wider than that.
 
There are many phones that support 2300 TD LTE, but if they dont sell them, then I am not sure what they expected. They have now also started doing LTE in 1800 which all South African LTE phones support. I am assuming they also have spectrum in 900mhz/2100mhz for 3G? Vodacom only has 900, 2100 and 1800 and they are trying to get as much out of 1800 for LTE as possible without degrading 2G. I personally would just switch off 1800 2 and use it all for LTE and let 2G run on 900. But considering how few customers Telkom has got compared to the other big three, they have a crap load of spectrum in my view.
900MHz - Telkom has none
2100MHz - Telkom has about half (2x10 blocks) of what is allocated to each of VC (2x15 and 1x5), MTN (2x15 and 1x5) and Cell C (2x10 and 1x5). There are 2x10 blocks spare.

1800MHz - All operators have 2x12 blocks.
 
900MHz - Telkom has none
2100MHz - Telkom has about half (2x10 blocks) of what is allocated to each of VC (2x15 and 1x5), MTN (2x15 and 1x5) and Cell C (2x10 and 1x5). There are 2x10 blocks spare.

1800MHz - All operators have 2x12 blocks.

Thanks Mickey.

No other operator has 2300 again except for Telkom.
 
Thanks Mickey.

No other operator has 2300 again except for Telkom.

The problem is in the physics of how radio transmission work. Radio signals are attenuated in the air. This attenuation is directly proportional to the square of the frequency. So, if you're standing about 1 km away from the tower, the FSPL (free space path loss) of the radio signal will be about 90 dB for 800 MHz, and 99 dB for 2300 MHz. So, your signal will be 8 times as strong for 800 MHz than for 2300 MHz.

Now, convert that to coverage: if 800 MHz has 8 times the reach of 2300 MHz, you need 8^2=64 times as many towers on 2300 MHz to covert the same area. That's probably Telkom's issue here. In the rural areas, an operator with access to 800 MHz can build coverage at a fraction of the cost of someone with only 1800 MHz or only 2300 MHz.

800 MHz has also much better building penetration than 2300 MHz. Finally, if they can put up a few 800 MHz base stations in the metro areas, it would enable them to cover dead spots much more easily.

Traditionally your lower frequencies is seen as coverage bands, whereas higher frequencies is seen as throughput layers (because 2300 MHz dies off so quickly, you can put down many more towers without them interfering with each other).
 
The problem is in the physics of how radio transmission work. Radio signals are attenuated in the air. This attenuation is directly proportional to the square of the frequency. So, if you're standing about 1 km away from the tower, the FSPL (free space path loss) of the radio signal will be about 90 dB for 800 MHz, and 99 dB for 2300 MHz. So, your signal will be 8 times as strong for 800 MHz than for 2300 MHz.

Now, convert that to coverage: if 800 MHz has 8 times the reach of 2300 MHz, you need 8^2=64 times as many towers on 2300 MHz to covert the same area. That's probably Telkom's issue here. In the rural areas, an operator with access to 800 MHz can build coverage at a fraction of the cost of someone with only 1800 MHz or only 2300 MHz.

800 MHz has also much better building penetration than 2300 MHz. Finally, if they can put up a few 800 MHz base stations in the metro areas, it would enable them to cover dead spots much more easily.

Traditionally your lower frequencies is seen as coverage bands, whereas higher frequencies is seen as throughput layers (because 2300 MHz dies off so quickly, you can put down many more towers without them interfering with each other).

I agree. So bid on it like the others are planning on doing and stop holding up the allocations for goodness sakes.
 
None of this is about the technicalities and the bands and what they are best suited for, all that is sorted out in the band plan for SA.

It is all about the politics and who has the "right" to start such a process. DTPS is challenging ICASA's right to do its job , and conveniently, one of the larger players has seen another gap to mess things up .... again ... for the umpteenth time.
 
None of this is about the technicalities and the bands and what they are best suited for, all that is sorted out in the band plan for SA.

It is all about the politics and who has the "right" to start such a process. DTPS is challenging ICASA's right to do its job , and conveniently, one of the larger players has seen another gap to mess things up .... again ... for the umpteenth time.

Perhaps the public should sue the department and Telkom for holding our countries spectrum to ransom and therefore impacting negatively on our right to better communication :)
 
Perhaps the public should sue the department and Telkom for holding our countries spectrum to ransom and therefore impacting negatively on our right to better communication :)

An interesting thought.

Recently (late last month) a few of us had exactly that debate. Start a class action against the DTPS, DoC, ICASA etc for denying the country access to spectrum not licensed to an operator within the SA band plan. The debate was about the outcomes of WRC 2015, because some of the outcomes were not what the mobile industry wanted to see happen.

A simple on the back of a serviette (cigarette boxes are no longer available for this sort of thing) calculation of the lost benefit and therefore the lost added benefit to the GDP runs into more the R 10 billion just for the last 5 years ..... (Of course the calculation has to be verified to eliminate the effects of 3 bottles of red wine ....), it may be even more ..
 
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