Telkom cornered on ADSL

I can't see Telkom giving the benifit to the consumer.

But the only positive side I can see too this development might be that if the IPTV is successfull it might subsidise ADSL or tripple play services a little and we might actualy see true broadband, they might dingle the tripple play carrot in front of current ADSL users at a very afordable price.

In that case it might be worth it.
 
Just to clear up a few things: I fully understand the difference between capacity on the ADSL network and Internet access.
You will not that nowhere in the story is Internet access mentioned. This was deliberate.
The point is that Telkom Media have to buy network capacity from Telkom just like any other service provider and if they can buy a 10Mbps pipe it would be a short trip to the competition commission if this service is not made available to non-telkom companies. The guys from Telkom Media said as much in informal discussions after the presentation.
Also if this is offered to TM @ a lower price than it is available to the other service providers this would also be a clearly anti-competitive practice.
And no I am not smoking the plants in the office, although there are days when that seems like a good idea.

Ben
 
Telkom Media would need access to an ADSL service running at between 10 and 20 megabits/second

OMG this is by far the dumbest thing iv seen!! 20mb line with 3 gig cap!!!!!!!! with my 24mb line i use between 1-2 gb a day somedays 3 gigs if i really try...
that will not work evan if they broadcast tv through it
 
pope24 said:
...And no I am not smoking the plants in the office, although there are days when that seems like a good idea.

Ben
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Ha ha, Ben's just given you chaps a toffee!!! :) try and blow his story out the water with out actually getting the point he has tried to make!
 
DOOMIE61 said:
Telkom Media would need access to an ADSL service running at between 10 and 20 megabits/second

OMG this is by far the dumbest thing iv seen!! 20mb line with 3 gig cap!!!!!!!! with my 24mb line i use between 1-2 gb a day somedays 3 gigs if i really try...
that will not work evan if they broadcast tv through it
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With ADSL 2+, no problem. With local only content, the cap is not an issue, so no problem.

The proposed service is easily achievable.

But it does mean that ADSL access rentals will have to drop quite drastically. And limits on local bandwidth must fall away completely.
 
And all this time I was hoping to eventually enjoy international IPTV.....ja well no fine, that's what you get for living on the ***end of Africa...:(
 
But will they offer IPTV over the same medium as normal broadband? What will they do with their Wimax spectrum? I am sure somewhere along the line Telkom will split the service, so you pay the R320 for IPTV, but additional costs for normal internet access.
 
nictron said:
I can't see Telkom giving the benifit to the consumer.

But the only positive side I can see too this development might be that if the IPTV is successfull it might subsidise ADSL or tripple play services a little and we might actualy see true broadband, they might dingle the tripple play carrot in front of current ADSL users at a very afordable price.

In that case it might be worth it.
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We already subsidize Telkodemonopolies' ADSL monopoly, and we really have not seen a significant economies of scale drop in ADSL prices since the Sick Puppy Moletsane took over from $izwe - in fact ADSL prices dropped more drastically during $izwe's regime.

Maybe September will implement some decent August price reductions - just unfortunate that Telkodemonopolies' bean counters lost half their collective fingers in a poker game with Telkodemonopolies' Legal Department, ergo Telkodemonopolies' dodgy mathematics where a de facto average ADSL price reduction of 12% is announced as if it were a 24% price reduction...:rolleyes:
Gatecrasher said:
With ADSL 2+, no problem. With local only content, the cap is not an issue, so no problem.

The proposed service is easily achievable.

But it does mean that ADSL access rentals will have to drop quite drastically. And limits on local bandwidth must fall away completely.
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Ummm, more likely that Telkodemonopolies will behave as if IPTV and Internet Connectivity and Analogue Voice, are all travelling down separate copper lines, and charge 3 separate monthly rental fees - with the exception of a bunch of C-loser packages only available from Telkodemonopolies itself. Basically expect the pineapple treatment - it will be less of a surprise when Telkodemonopolies actually screws the pineapple into place.
 
Mmm, I doubt that the general public will accept capped TV.... so maybe get their iptv service and just use the bandwidth for what you really want to?
 
I think the major part of this article which has merit is the simple fact that if Telkom wants to offer IPTV they need to compete with the likes of DSTV in the same price range or cheaper.

Now if DSTV costs around R400 a month Telkom have to bundle a product which would compete favouritely with this pricing and to do so would be using ADSL as a basis for the service and would require speeds in excess of 4mbps to do it properly (its approximately 8-9mbps for streaming for MPEG4 quality and 19Mbps for HD MPEG2 if memory serves me correctly).

Now if they provide the service for R400 (unlimited viewing etc) they will have a damn hard time validating why an ADSL connection (which you can do absolutely nothing with without the ISP portion) costs R500+ for half the speed or even less.

Add to this the fact that they are using so called precious and costly "local bandwidth" to deliver these IP streams (whether multicast or point to point) and u end up with a situation where competitors (who want to offer IPTV type services or local interactive services) cannot compete with this and they have a case for the competition commission. ie. Why pay R20-40/GB for local bandwidth when Telkoms streaming more than that every hour

But wait think further... IPTV falls outside of Telkoms own "Shaped" package so the bandwidth should cost even more (as I doubt they'd be streaming over ports 80/443/110/25 etc) and would have to be guaranteed local bandwidth.

IF telkom do launch an IPTV product they CANNOT validate their existing ADSL pricing as simple comparisons can be made between the pricing.
 
The fatal mistake that everyone seems to be making, is to assume that IPTV or VoD will pass through an ADSL2+ modem that also gets used for Internet Connectivity, IMO there will be a separate 'IPTV decoder box' that is attached to the line - in addition to one's ADSL[2+] modem, and they will probably have to operate in different frequency ranges - this is possible using the various different 'annexes' that exist, i.e. more than one ADSL-type modem operating on the same physical line.
 
Well think Triple Play and every successful Telco's existing example of using this term require a set top box that communicates via an ADSL/2 or VDSL connection. Since Telkom is flaunting this term since 2 years ago I would safely assume this to be the transport they'll use.
 
quovadis said:
Well think Triple Play and every successful Telco's existing example of using this term require a set top box that communicates via an ADSL/2 or VDSL connection. Since Telkom is flaunting this term since 2 years ago I would safely assume this to be the transport they'll use.
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What I mean is that Internet Connectivity and IPTV will effectively be separate connections on the same copper line - albeit via different modems, the difference is that IPTV will not be subject to a typical 3GB cap, while Internet Connectivity will be subject to whatever restrictions Telkodemonopolies believes it can get away with...
 
At the briefing it was clear that there is one home gateway that would terminate the ADSL portion of the line. The IPTV decoder that they were using was then connected to the home gateway using ethernet (for the purposes of the demonstration).

There would be one box that would authenticate to the ADSL2+ network and then I would assume that the decoder would then log onto the IPTV server to access the content.
If you wanted to buy Internet access the home gateway would log onto the authentication server for that. TM are looking to be the point of call for Telkom's triple play offering so voice will alos be in there somewhere.

What will be intereting to see is how Telkom try to justify paying a separate DATA line rental charge and a IPTV line rental charge. I can't see how that would be possible so it may mean that either you will have to buy a bundled service from your ISP (determined by speed and capacity) or you will only be charged for the line once and then you can buy services on that line (such as internet access VOIP or IPTV)
This is complicated and Telkom's existing pricing systems are not going to be able to handle it. I foresee the death of the broadband line rental portion as it is not viable in a triple play world.
 
pope24 said:
This is complicated and Telkom's existing pricing systems are not going to be able to handle it. I foresee the death of the broadband line rental portion as it is not viable in a triple play world.
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Lets not forget to add UNJUSTIFIABLE broadband line rental portion, to date there is no explanation given as to what is this charge for, even though it has been challenged by community, consumer watchdogs, and common sense.

Is this the easy way out for Telkom not to avoid giving explanations for the theft they have committed over last years
 
Nope. Nothing here to get excited about.

In the real world there is no such thing as an ADSL line charge. Here in telscum land we have that.

Who is to say there will not be an IPTV line rental? And you get capped to 10 movies a month?

Why not? Who is gona stop them? Ivy? :sick:

They are going to do what they want.

There is NO WAY that R320p/m will include voice or internet. In my opinion that will not even include decent TV.

As for the fact that if TM gets a pipe for IPTV and now ISPs also want that here is the telscum answer: This service is for IPTV only.
 
is telkom actually going to do it? not the way they going on about it right now! and if they cost to much they will fail.since telkom media must buy bandwidth from telkom, is telkom going to fight with itself then? :D
 
I agree with Gatecrasher

IPTV is all going to be on local servers right?

So, Telkom *spit* will just do what they did previously and your ADSL will still be subjected to a 3gig cap, when you exceed that cap you are capped for all international traffic with local still remaining accessible. (best case scenario)
Knowing Telkom they will probably want you to top up though.

You still end up paying ridiculous amounts of money for Internet usage.
The article suggests that just because IPTV is going to be coming from Telkom over an Internet connection, using massive amounts of bandwidth and compete with DSTV that pricing for their other Internet services must drop.
In Utopia maybe, not here.

The consumer could well get the free local bandwidth back which ICASA also eluded to in the poorly drafted ADSL regulations, which is a good thing and thus putting us back where we were 3 or so years ago regarding ADSL limitations.
 
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