Telkom plans to split its business functions

does the figure include WiMAX customers - makes only a small difference but still

of course market share here isn't an exclusivity domain - most ISP consumers have more than one account
 
Maseko also said that the wholesale business will be making its services available to all service providers “on a non-preferential basis”.
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Naked ADSL and LLU?
 
MickeyD said:
doubt it.
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why the doubt?

surely if wholesale has a line price then non-discriminatory measures should apply

and non-preferential here means that preference cannot be given to the largest competitor to Telkom Group ...
 
Paul Hjul said:
why the doubt?

surely if wholesale has a line price then non-discriminatory measures should apply

and non-preferential here means that preference cannot be given to the largest competitor to Telkom Group ...
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Wholesale will have to offer it as a product.
no product, no service.
simple.

Product will be the line rental + DSL rental at the same price for everyone (licensed everyones, of course.)
 
MickeyD said:
Wholesale will have to offer it as a product.
no product, no service.
simple.

Product will be the line rental + DSL rental at the same price for everyone (licensed everyones, of course.)
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well the line rental is the important price
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and is what some will complain about - wanting preference and all that
 
MickeyD said:
Wholesale will have to offer it as a product.
no product, no service.
simple.

Product will be the line rental + DSL rental at the same price for everyone (licensed everyones, of course.)
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So you're saying they will simply rent out the infrastructure twice for anyone that wants to offer DSL?
 
Swa said:
So you're saying they will simply rent out the infrastructure twice for anyone that wants to offer DSL?
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Twice? You are confused.

Depends... if the ISP or ONO builds their own infrastructure (POPS, etc) and only want last mile access then they will only need the POTS line rental...
 
MickeyD said:
as long as it is provided at the same price to all, no room for complaint.
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has room for complaint ever been an obstacle before

Telkom's copper network after all was built by the taxpayer ...

[to somebody a little lost note the comic sans]
 
MickeyD said:
Depends... if the ISP or ONO builds their own infrastructure (POPS, etc) and only want last mile access then they will only need the POTS line rental...
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at a non-voice revenue subsidising rate though ...
 
MickeyD said:
Twice? You are confused.

Depends... if the ISP or ONO builds their own infrastructure (POPS, etc) and only want last mile access then they will only need the POTS line rental...
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That is my point. Telkom can't very well rent it out and then dictate how it should be used can they? Whether I pay R200 for POTS or DSL and use DSL I don't really care. Just not going to pay twice for the same thing.
 
Swa said:
That is my point. Telkom can't very well rent it out and then dictate how it should be used can they? Whether I pay R200 for POTS or DSL and use DSL I don't really care. Just not going to pay twice for the same thing.
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the line rental price is realistically closer to R400

then there is the DSLAM equivalent costings ...
 
Paul Hjul said:
the line rental price is realistically closer to R400

then there is the DSLAM equivalent costings ...
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It costs R400/month for the copper laying here behind me that's not being used?
 
Swa said:
That is my point. Telkom can't very well rent it out and then dictate how it should be used can they? Whether I pay R200 for POTS or DSL and use DSL I don't really care. Just not going to pay twice for the same thing.
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That will depend on whether you are leasing a POTS line or an DSL service (that will include a POTS line rental).

You won't be able to just lease a DSL service unless Telkom goes for naked DSL or LLU.
 
MickeyD said:
That will depend on whether you are leasing a POTS line or an DSL service (that will include a POTS line rental).

You won't be able to just lease a DSL service unless Telkom goes for naked DSL or LLU.
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If they really lease infrastructure it makes no difference. ISP can decide to offer POTS service or DSL.
 
Swa said:
It costs R400/month for the copper laying here behind me that's not being used?
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to keep the technical staff necessary to maintain the line
to amortize the cost of installation over life (which is shortened due to theft)

etc ... etc ... etc ...

yes

especially as an imperfectly efficient operator
 
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