Telkom technical brief for Nov 1

If anyone still doesn't believe the 1St November hardcapping, I don't know what will convince you...
 
debbie2 - question: is this not an issue in terms of the price-capping regulations - if the effect of the changes is to increase prices surely this would have to be approved by ICASA?
 
daysleeper said:
The reason for the speculation on November 1 per gig billing is very interesting.
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Peter7 said:
I received confirmation from my ISP that the per GB billing system is indeed fact and not a rumor.
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ic said:
I agree, there is no reason to speculate about whether it is going to happen or not - it is going to happen...
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Definitely coming (not clear on pricing though):
SAOL.COM -> Tel: 031-240-7800
 
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SPoke with a telkom subscriptions agent, after PREMATURELY cancelling my account, I asked about Novemebr and he said yes pricing and structure is changing but he could not comment otherwise due to the pricing etc still had to be finalised.
 
This is standar Psych warfare.

Get the rumour mill turning everybody gets very excited and blows things out of all proportion. Then when November 1st arrives it is bad, but not nearly half as bad as what we thought it was going to be and therefore we are not as miffed and will probably just forget about it.

Remember - Man's greatest fear is the unknown!
 
Wow 16kbps throttling, now thats SA broadband for you :)

Telkom reminds me of those donkey carts I see on the roads every now and then, compared to other countries with cars.
 
Ok so Telskum have taken another step in trying to squash all possible competition...

Now what happens to my Axxess 10g account after November 1st??
 
The fact that they talk about Throttling being a limit of how fast your ADSL line can download (for instance 512k) would probably indicate the REASON why Telkom claimed they don't throttle anything. Misunderstanding by Telkom employees of what we're saying. Plus, this shows that even Telkom don't understand their own terminology used.

The 64k limit option looks to be the next thing to be offered (at least decent speeds in regards to international access *hopefully*)

Also, the ability to limit a user to access only a certain site MAY indicate that once you've hit your cap you would be cut off to the internet BUT may be able to access your email still (for example) or most probably, their site, which will sell you extra bandwidth and be able to put you back on the internet no problem.
 
dominic said:
debbie2 - question: is this not an issue in terms of the price-capping regulations - if the effect of the changes is to increase prices surely this would have to be approved by ICASA?
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dominic I don't think the regulations on pricing bandwidth are very clear. When the new price regime was being debated earlier this year, ICASA decided at the last minute to include ADSL into 'the basket' which would be subject to the Price Cap. I don't know if the wording was simply 'ADSL' in general, or if it got specific and mentioned the various aspects of ADSL, like bandwidth.

I cannot seem to find the correct douments on ICASA's website. Since they changed their website, some of the documents that were previously there have been removed. Also, some of the documents are dated incorrectly.

Someone needs to call ICASA and ask where they can find a detailed description of the elements of the basket.

I *think* that the regulations on the pricing of bandwidth will turn out to be ambigious, as I think they only mention 'ADSL' and not the components of ADSL pricing.

Please won't someone call ICASA (011 321 8200 - ask for the telecoms regulations dept) and ask where one can find a detailed description of what elements make up the basket which is subject to the Price Cap?

I don't have credit on my phone, and I don't have a home phone so I cannot call.
 
Peter7 said:
I received confirmation from my ISP that the per GB billing system is indeed fact and not a rumor. My question to this forum: is ANYbody doing anything about this? Seriously? Or are we just going to react when Nov 1 comes and still pay for the exhorbitant prices after moaning? (Similar to what was done with the high banking costs in this country) - Sorry, I'm also probably coming on a bit too strong - but geez Telkom can't get away with this!
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Icasa has been made aware of the situation Peter7. LG has been chatting to them about the issue. Not much more that can be done I reckon other than voice your own concerns to Icasa. Info in this thread.
http://mybroadband.co.za/vb/showthread.php?t=27038
 
Originally Posted by dominic
debbie2 - question: is this not an issue in terms of the price-capping regulations - if the effect of the changes is to increase prices surely this would have to be approved by ICASA?
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dominic I don't think the regulations on pricing bandwidth are very clear. When the new price regime was being debated earlier this year, ICASA decided at the last minute to include ADSL into 'the basket' which would be subject to the Price Cap. I don't know if the wording was simply 'ADSL' in general, or if it got specific and mentioned the various aspects of ADSL, like bandwidth.

I cannot seem to find the correct douments on ICASA's website. Since they changed their website, some of the documents that were previously there have been removed. Also, some of the documents are dated incorrectly.

Someone needs to call ICASA and ask where they can find a detailed description of the elements of the basket.

I *think* that the regulations on the pricing of bandwidth will turn out to be ambigious, as I think they only mention 'ADSL' and not the components of ADSL pricing.

Please won't someone call ICASA (011 321 8200 - ask for the telecoms regulations dept) and ask where one can find a detailed description of what elements make up the basket which is subject to the Price Cap?

I don't have credit on my phone, and I don't have a home phone so I cannot call.
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For all you people who claim to be so damn concerned about this 1 November thing.... HOWCOME NOT ONE OF YOU HAS DONE WHAT I SUGGESTED ABOVE? FFS, I DO NOT HAVE A PHONE, HALF THE TIME I HAVE TO BEG MY DEPARTMENTAL ADMINISTRATOR TO USE HER OFFICE PHONE. IS MAKING A CALL TO ICASA SIMPLY TOO MUCH FOR YOU TO DO?? ARE MOST OF YOU MUTE? OR DO MOST OF YOU JUST LIKE TO COMPLAIN WITHOUT EVER ACTUALLY HAVING TO DO ANYTHING??????

I DON'T HAVE ADSL. HELL, I DON'T EVEN HAVE ACCESS TO THE INTERNET FROM HOME, BUT HERE I AM TRYING MY DAMNDEST TO DO SOMETHING FOR THOSE OF YOU WITH ADSL, AND NO ONE SEEMS TO CARE ENOUGH TO FRIKKING PICK UP THE PHONE AND SAY, "HEY ICASA, WHAT ITEMS MAKE UP THE BASKET?"
 
Most of the people here wont Debbie2... thats the sad truth. Some people will go ahead, and try make a difference, but most people will just accept what they are given, but complain non-stop.

People 'care', as long as they dont have to do anything. "The amount of tranny a people will live under, is the amount they are willing to accept."

People are mostly to selfish to think of anything but themselves and kinda got used to expecting it from my fellow South Africans.

There are a couple of people whom I have done a sterling job to supporting us, and getting involved in making their country a better place (and bigup to them!!!), but the majority of people will just sit back and complain... its all they`re really good for....
 
W1z4rd, I'm assuming you called. What did they say?
 
Please note: These briefings are on TELKOM letterheads.

The process is driven by Telkom.

It seems from another thread that ICASA has fallen line, hook and sinker for the Telkom red herring that it is not Telkom, but SAIX and ICASA has no jurisdiction over SAIX.
 
Are ICASA that stupid? I read the email where the guy from ICASA doesn't seem to know that SAIX and Telkom are the same thing... O_o
 
DVDA said:
Are ICASA that stupid? I read the email where the guy from ICASA doesn't seem to know that SAIX and Telkom are the same thing... O_o
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Telkom has a gigantic legal department (funded by the outrageous Telkom bills we pay) to invent and sell red herrings where ever they can.

It is up to us to show the world what calibre truth twisters Telkom employs to exploit us, the consumers.
 
Red herrings are one thing. If you are living in South Africa, and are remotely interested in comms, you know that SAIX = Telkom. For the regulator to not know this is inexcusable.
 
DVDA said:
Red herrings are one thing. If you are living in South Africa, and are remotely interested in comms, you know that SAIX = Telkom. For the regulator to not know this is inexcusable.
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I a multitude of truth twisters start calling you telling you they will take you to court, show the boss what fool you are, and leave you no honourable way out but to resign, you are going loose your self confidence and start to believe the red herrings after a while.

Does anybody know the size of the Telkom "legal & regulatory" budget compared to ICASA's total budget. I won't be surprised if the Telkom budget to fight ICASA is multiples of ICASA's total budget.
 
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