The ANC is dying

[JerryMungo]

Ag please. I'm actually with Zuma on this one. I'll believe it when I see it.

It looks good on paper until elections and somehow the people will vote the same people back in. Watching the news and the fight at some ANC event... what a bunch.

 

[Nicodeamus]

During the 1930's technically South Africa was one of the first countries to allow blacks to vote (only those that earned land), but we were the first to take it away again.

You can't really argue that we 'weren't a democracy' before black people could vote unless you want to argue that America wasn't a democracy until 1964 when blacks could vote there. As a matter of fact, most countries in the western world excluded indigenous people from voting.

 

[Ady]

We are all stressing for nothing. The world is ending on 21 December.

 

[JerryMungo]

We are all stressing for nothing. The world is ending on 21 December.

And there I was thinking the Mayan numeric system ended about there lol

 

[OrbitalDawn]

Even a stump can grow again. Things in Zim are not ideal, but much better than they were a few years ago. Even if SA ends up in a similar position to Zim, the people who love this country will work hard to fix it. Who knows, one of the future ANC leaders may just be the kind of person we want to have running this country. Remember, democracy in SA is 18 years old this year and the ones who have benefited from AA/BBEEE are on the rise.

Just have some hope.

Problem is, even if a good leader does rise to the top in the ANC (like Ramaphosa), he's still going to be held to account by the rest of the party and its structures. The President of the party also only has one vote on the NEC, and policy gets decided by the branches, not the leadership.

 

[OzzieCapie]

During the 1930's technically South Africa was one of the first countries to allow blacks to vote (only those that earned land), but we were the first to take it away again.

You can't really argue that we 'weren't a democracy' before black people could vote unless you want to argue that America wasn't a democracy until 1964 when blacks could vote there. As a matter of fact, most countries in the western world excluded indigenous people from voting.

What sort of vote are you talking about? It was on a separate roll, limited to landowners, which in turn was limited by pass law and native land act.
What else?

Segregationist legislation included the Franchise and Ballot Act (1892), which limited the black vote by finance and education, the Natal Legislative Assembly Bill (1894), which deprived Indians of the right to vote; the General Pass Regulations Bill (1905), which denied blacks the vote altogether, limited them to fixed areas and inaugurated the infamous Pass System; the Asiatic Registration Act (1906) requiring all Indians to register and carry passes; the South Africa Act (1910) that enfranchised whites, giving them complete political control over all other race groups; the above-mentioned Native Land Act (1913) which prevented all blacks, except those in the Cape, from buying land outside 'reserves'. The reserves were the "original homes" of the black tribes of South Africa. The reserves later became known as bantustans of which the failed objective was to make self-governing, quasi-independent ethnically homogeneous states. At this time the state effectively reserved 87% of the land which whites exclusively could purchase; the Natives in Urban Areas Bill (1918) designed to move blacks living in "white" South Africa into specific 'locations' as a precautionary security measure; the Urban Areas Act (1923) which introduced residential segregation in South Africa and provided cheap unskilled labour for the white mining and farming industry; the Colour Bar Act (1926), preventing blacks from practising skilled trades; the Native Administration Act (1927) that made the British Crown, rather than paramount chiefs, the supreme head over all African affairs; the Native Land and Trust Act (1936) that complemented the 1913 Native Land Act and, in the same year, the Representation of Natives Act, which removed blacks from the Cape voters' roll. The final 'apartheid' legislation passed by the South African parliament before the beginning of the 'Apartheid' era was the Asiatic Land Tenure Bill (1946), which banned any further land sales to Indians./////
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From 1910 until 1948 the franchise to vote was gradually evolved from allowing "qualified" male population (with non-whites enfranchised in the Cape Province and Natal) to gradual disenfranchisement of all South African Blacks, whom were moved to a separate voters' roll in 1936. All whites over the age of 21, including women were given the right to vote in 1930. After the ascent of the National Party to power in 1948, the Black voters' roll was abolished. Cape Coloureds were moved to a separate voters' role, and subsequently disenfranchised altogether in 1970. Only whites were permitted to vote in general elections from 1958 until 1994 when the vote was granted to all South Africans over age 18. The 1994 general election was the first post-apartheid vote based on universal suffrage.

You guys talk about cANCer but to me it looks like you are suffering the effects of radiation and chemotherapy.

 

[DigiBanks99]

Segregationist legislation included the Franchise and Ballot Act (1892), which limited the black vote by finance and education, the Natal Legislative Assembly Bill (1894), which deprived Indians of the right to vote; the General Pass Regulations Bill (1905), which denied blacks the vote altogether, limited them to fixed areas and inaugurated the infamous Pass System; the Asiatic Registration Act (1906) requiring all Indians to register and carry passes; the South Africa Act (1910) that enfranchised whites, giving them complete political control over all other race groups; the above-mentioned Native Land Act (1913) which prevented all blacks, except those in the Cape, from buying land outside 'reserves'. The reserves were the "original homes" of the black tribes of South Africa. The reserves later became known as bantustans of which the failed objective was to make self-governing, quasi-independent ethnically homogeneous states. At this time the state effectively reserved 87% of the land which whites exclusively could purchase; the Natives in Urban Areas Bill (1918) designed to move blacks living in "white" South Africa into specific 'locations' as a precautionary security measure; the Urban Areas Act (1923) which introduced residential segregation in South Africa and provided cheap unskilled labour for the white mining and farming industry; the Colour Bar Act (1926), preventing blacks from practising skilled trades; the Native Administration Act (1927) that made the British Crown, rather than paramount chiefs, the supreme head over all African affairs; the Native Land and Trust Act (1936) that complemented the 1913 Native Land Act and, in the same year, the Representation of Natives Act, which removed blacks from the Cape voters' roll. The final 'apartheid' legislation passed by the South African parliament before the beginning of the 'Apartheid' era was the Asiatic Land Tenure Bill (1946), which banned any further land sales to Indians./////
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From 1910 until 1948 the franchise to vote was gradually evolved from allowing "qualified" male population (with non-whites enfranchised in the Cape Province and Natal) to gradual disenfranchisement of all South African Blacks, whom were moved to a separate voters' roll in 1936. All whites over the age of 21, including women were given the right to vote in 1930. After the ascent of the National Party to power in 1948, the Black voters' roll was abolished. Cape Coloureds were moved to a separate voters' role, and subsequently disenfranchised altogether in 1970. Only whites were permitted to vote in general elections from 1958 until 1994 when the vote was granted to all South Africans over age 18. The 1994 general election was the first post-apartheid vote based on universal suffrage.

Very informative! Looking at it this way, makes me see what kind of ass-holes this country has delivered up and there are still some people who think this was the ideal time? Makes me sad to call myself part of the white race...

 

[JerryMungo]

Very informative! Looking at it this way, makes me see what kind of ass-holes this country has delivered up and there are still some people who think this was the ideal time? Makes me sad to call myself part of the white race...

Well you're no more part of what those ***-holes did than what... wait for it... Hitler and the Nazis did, unless you were there pulling the strings. Dunno why people insist on blaming everybody for the actions of the few ***-holes on the planet. With exception of pure racists who insist that everyone is responsible for everyone else of their race's actions. In that context, nobody is blameless, so fingerpointing just damns yourself. Every race has PLENTY in their history they shouldn't be proud of.

 

[DigiBanks99]

Well you're no more part of what those ***-holes did than what... wait for it... Hitler and the Nazis did, unless you were there pulling the strings. Dunno why people insist on blaming everybody for the actions of the few ***-holes on the planet. With exception of pure racists who insist that everyone is responsible for everyone else of their race's actions. In that context, nobody is blameless, so fingerpointing just damns yourself. Every race has PLENTY in their history they shouldn't be proud of.

What on earth...?:wtf: What was the point of that post? I absolutely just don't get what you are trying to say/imply/achieve with what you said.

 

[JerryMungo]

What on earth...?:wtf: What was the point of that post? I absolutely just don't get what you are trying to say/imply/achieve with what you said.

You are ashamed to be white. You shouldn't be unless you have done dumb things... and then you shouldn't be ashamed for being white, you should be ashamed for being an ***-hole. People must stop blaming an entire race for the actions of ***-holes. Thought that was clear?

 

[ChocolateBadger]

Well with ANC officials busy putting hits on one another, its should cause enough disturbance to tear the ANC apart of fear for each other.

 

[DigiBanks99]

You are ashamed to be white. You shouldn't be unless you have done dumb things... and then you shouldn't be ashamed for being white, you should be ashamed for being an ***-hole. People must stop blaming an entire race for the actions of ***-holes. Thought that was clear?

I think you tried to make an issue out of a non-issue... I believe I have the freedom to feel ashamed of the things the people of my race did if I want to. I get your point, but it was unnecessary.

 

[TheHiveMind]

I think you tried to make an issue out of a non-issue... I believe I have the freedom to feel ashamed of the things the people of my race did if I want to. I get your point, but it was unnecessary.

Yeah, shame will help.

Because we all know that strategy doesn't backfire, just look at how well the adherents of abrahamic religion turn out.

 

[ChocolateBadger]

I honestly think that blacks had it worse in America. But they never gave it a name. The biggest mistake of apartheid was giving it a name. America did exactly the same thing to black ppl as was done in South Africa but you couldn't call it anything.

 

[Fudzy]

I honestly think that blacks had it worse in America. But they never gave it a name. The biggest mistake of apartheid was giving it a name. America did exactly the same thing to black ppl as was done in South Africa but you couldn't call it anything.

Racial segregation?

 

[JerryMungo]

I get your point, but it was unnecessary.

LOL! I wasn't trying to convert you or anything hehe.

 

[Y'all Qaeda]

I think you tried to make an issue out of a non-issue... I believe I have the freedom to feel ashamed of the things the people of my race did if I want to. I get your point, but it was unnecessary.

Fair enough. But there are enough people out there blaming the whites. Do you think there is a whole bunch of black people feeling ashamed of what Shaka did to the other tribes? Or feeling ashamed of the terrorist attacks orchestrated by the ANC? NO. They are encouraged to embrace their history, only whites should feel ashamed..