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Withdrawal into Rands is a flat R8... where are you pulling 7.5% from? And if you're referring to BTC transfers, best you learn about the miner fees attached to it before you blame Luno

Nope not ZAR withdrawal, but yes, I did forget about the miner fees. It's still the case that you're taking a steamy dump to the chest by buying locally and moving the coin to an exchange with more variety so that you can deal in other coins.
 
To be fair, it is variable and changes to help get your transaction through faster, but it is pretty damn steep.

Oh, I think you're referring to the Bitcoin transaction fee? That's got nothing to do with Luno. That goes to the miners and is variable.
 
Nope not ZAR withdrawal, but yes, I did forget about the miner fees. It's still the case that you're taking a steamy dump to the chest by buying locally and moving the coin to an exchange with more variety so that you can deal in other coins.

Does this 10% magically disappear when you want to sell BTC on Luno...? The premium is almost always there, so what are you upset about?
 
Oh, I think you're referring to the Bitcoin transaction fee? That's got nothing to do with Luno. That goes to the miners and is variable.

Yea sorry, didn't mean to imply that it's their cost but more that you're taking a large knock if you want to trade in other coins and can't buy your BTC on an overseas exchange, where you wouldn't have to suffer the premium and miner fee (assuming you stick to dealing on that exchange).
 
Does this 10% magically disappear when you want to sell BTC on Luno...? The premium is almost always there, so what are you upset about?

I said earlier that if you buy and sell on Luno then you're sorted, but if you take your BTC elsewhere, you're getting shafted.
 
They are being used as spring board into other exchanges and taking advantage of it. Just waiting for my position to fill and I’m out there.

LUNO transparency leaves a lot to be desired.
 
They are being used as spring board into other exchanges and taking advantage of it. Just waiting for my position to fill and I’m out there.

LUNO transparency leaves a lot to be desired.

I don't think they are taking advantage of it, they are simply just not flexible and dynamic enough for a certain type of user. I think many people are simply buying bitcoin there and holding it until it appreciates which possibly forms their target market.
 
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My take - global markets are way overvalued in historical terms, compared to the size and growth of their economies, so bottom line, they are most probably in a bubble that could be even bigger than 2008. Savvy investors know this, or at least appreciate the risk, but the traditional haven of gold is lacklustre. Considering that there is $5trn just in the Dow Jones, and many more trillions in global equities, while the total market cap of cryptos isn't much more than $100bn, if only a small percentage of investors hedged into cryptocurrencies there is a massive amount of money that could be heading into them if things started to look shaky in mainstream markets.
Spot on.
 
Can you imagine the amount of money primed waiting to be injected when the next large adjustment comes.
 
To be fair, it is variable and changes to help get your transaction through faster, but it is pretty damn steep.

Luno are charging me 10% if I want set a sell order at 40 000 (ZAR/BTC) as a stop loss :-(

It has been suggested here that one should buy on Luno, but sell on another exchange - how does one get your BTC and BCH from Luno to another exchange ? by simply scanning QR codes once you have opened the account on the other exchange ?
 
Luno are charging me 10% if I want set a sell order at 40 000 (ZAR/BTC) as a stop loss :-(

It has been suggested here that one should buy on Luno, but sell on another exchange - how does one get your BTC and BCH from Luno to another exchange ? by simply scanning QR codes once you have opened the account on the other exchange ?

Yeah, you will get a wallet address on your exchange account that you can just send to from Luno.

TBH, I'm a long term hodler so I only see Luno as the necessary evil that you have to go through initially to buy BTC with Rands, after that it's straight out.
 
Yeah, you will get a wallet address on your exchange account that you can just send to from Luno.

TBH, I'm a long term hodler so I only see Luno as the necessary evil that you have to go through initially to buy BTC with Rands, after that it's straight out.

Which international exchange(s) do you suggest ?
 
Luno are charging me 10% if I want set a sell order at 40 000 (ZAR/BTC) as a stop loss :-(

It has been suggested here that one should buy on Luno, but sell on another exchange - how does one get your BTC and BCH from Luno to another exchange ? by simply scanning QR codes once you have opened the account on the other exchange ?

Is that 'stop loss' a simple sell order or is there a mechanism for a stop loss ?
 
Is that 'stop loss' a simple sell order or is there a mechanism for a stop loss ?

no AFAIK there is no mechanism for a stop loss, so I tried a simple sell order - for one thing Luno gave me the error message that 40000 (ZAR/BTC) is too far below the current selling range of 63000 so it would not create a sell order.
 
no AFAIK there is no mechanism for a stop loss, so I tried a simple sell order - for one thing Luno gave me the error message that 40000 (ZAR/BTC) is too far below the current selling range of 63000 so it would not create a sell order.

Was the 10% related to that low level as well, I do buys/sells all the time and would have been bankrupt had I lost 10% on each sell...
 
Was the 10% related to that low level as well, I do buys/sells all the time and would have been bankrupt had I lost 10% on each sell...

I'm guessing it is on a sliding scale and gets much lower the closer you get to the current market price ?
 
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