The Bodybuilders Thread!

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Tinuva said:
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When you go heavy on Deadlift and Squats, form has to be near perfect. I would go as far, and say the same goes with Bench Press and Overhead Press.
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Looking forward to seeing how far I can go with deadlifts before i plateau. Just feels like I am advancing in leaps and bounds compared to the other compound movements. Speedbumps on deadlifts have been lower back adjusting to the exercise and more recently grip strength. Pretty taxing on my system, after two sets at working weight I need to start taking longer breaks to let my heart rate return to normal.

How much are you deadlifting now Tinuva?
 
InternetSwag said:
Fuuuuuk makes me not want to deadlift ever again
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Oh hell no. Anyone whose take away message from my little bit was "Don't deadlift" has missed the point.

Deadlifts are great, probably the single best exercise you can do, and everyone who is fit and able should be doing them.

Form, as Tinuva pointed out, is paramount. In any and every exercise, you should never sacrifice form to push more weight or reps. However, while it's easy enough to praise the virtues of good form, it does beg the question of what IS good form. Different limb/trunk lengths mean perfect form for a 1.8m guy might be terrible form for his 1.77m pal. To some degree good form is what's good for your body, not what looks neatest in a training vid. While you can follow all the expert advice you come across, I think a small degree of common sense needs to be applied by each of us when adapting the 'rules' to our training.
This is where my little bit of advice comes in - you need to listen to your body. If you're doing an exercise 100% according to instruction from trainers/masters/whoever, and it's not feeling right to you, then it probably isn't right for you and may need a change. It might be a foot angle, or a grip width adjustment, or something similar that seems inconsequential, but it matters.

All that said, I still think I was having 'one of those days', and ignored my body/gut feeling in favour of determination to finish the workout. I don't think form was the culprit, although when I get back to dls I'll be keeping a close eye (or feel, as it were).
 
Chicken Boo said:
Oh hell no. Anyone whose take away message from my little bit was "Don't deadlift" has missed the point.

Deadlifts are great, probably the single best exercise you can do, and everyone who is fit and able should be doing them.

Form, as Tinuva pointed out, is paramount. In any and every exercise, you should never sacrifice form to push more weight or reps. However, while it's easy enough to praise the virtues of good form, it does beg the question of what IS good form. Different limb/trunk lengths mean perfect form for a 1.8m guy might be terrible form for his 1.77m pal. To some degree good form is what's good for your body, not what looks neatest in a training vid. While you can follow all the expert advice you come across, I think a small degree of common sense needs to be applied by each of us when adapting the 'rules' to our training.
This is where my little bit of advice comes in - you need to listen to your body. If you're doing an exercise 100% according to instruction from trainers/masters/whoever, and it's not feeling right to you, then it probably isn't right for you and may need a change. It might be a foot angle, or a grip width adjustment, or something similar that seems inconsequential, but it matters.

All that said, I still think I was having 'one of those days', and ignored my body/gut feeling in favour of determination to finish the workout. I don't think form was the culprit, although when I get back to dls I'll be keeping a close eye (or feel, as it were).
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I've had those days where I don't feel up to it, and then I surprise myself totally. I will go to Durbanville Virgin Active in about 20 minutes, and do my deadlift routine for the week. Hopefully I can pull a 280 again today. I used to do a 280kg easily (well, if you can call it that :o) around November/December last year, but somehow I could not get past 270 since then. :confused:
 
ryan411 said:
How much are you deadlifting now Tinuva?
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PR was 125kg @ 4 reps. My work weight nowadays is 110-120kg @ 5 reps. It should have been at 140-150kg by now, but but I kept it on maintenance whilst I worked on getting my Bench Press up. Sadly I did the same with squats ect. At least my OHP went from 30kg to 50kg at 5 reps, and my Pendlay rows from 50kg to 80kg at 5 reps.


ps. Interesting article about volume and intensity:
http://www.prosource.net/content/articles/Articles-by-ProSource/high-intensity-mass.aspx
 
Alright, I understand guys :) Thank you for going to such lengths to make me understand !

So, should I make a Deadlift form video when I'm healthy and ask you guys to critique it?
 
quick question, one of my patients asked me about a product called "mach 5" I think its a weight loss thing. I have not heard of this product before can someone tell me what it is.

Tried googling it only got speed of sound >.<
 
RiaX said:
quick question, one of my patients asked me about a product called "mach 5" I think its a weight loss thing. I have not heard of this product before can someone tell me what it is.

Tried googling it only got speed of sound >.<
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Mach 4 is an ECA stack. banned but still available. It will not have manufacturers names or details on it becoz it contains ephedrine. apparently there is MACH 5 and MACH 6 as well. the mach 4 works very well.
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A quick find through some google. So it's what...steroids?
 
No - ephedrine is not an AAS. It is however a powerful stimulent and appetite surpressor.

The same goes for Clenbuterol and Yohmbine - not AAS's. But they are powerful stacks that skyrocket fatloss and get's most bodybuilders shredded.

Gear would be the proper stuff;
Anapolon (Oxymetholone)
Anavar (Oxandrolone)
Deca, Nandro-Prop, Deca-Durabolin (Nandrolone)
Dianabol, Danabol, Anabol (Methandrostenolone)
Equi, Equiplex, Equipoise (Boldenone)
Halotestin (Fluoxymesterone)
Masteron (Drostanolone)
Primobolan (Methenolone)
Proviron (Mesterolone)
Superdrol (Methyldrostanolone)
Testen, Testocyp, Prop, Super Test, Testoviron, Sustanon (Testosterone)
Tren (Trenbolone)
Turinabol (4-Chlorodehydromethyltestosterone)
Winstrol (Stanozolol)
 
prOd said:
A quick find through some google. So it's what...steroids?
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A ECA stack is ephedrine, has got absolutely nothing to do with steroids.

Ephedrine was legal for years in SA, found it in 9/10 diet pills, then unfortunately some people abused it, and it got banned.
As soon as something works, it gets banned.
Matter of time before DMAA gets banned as wel.
 
Cool, I'm big on gym but not so much on supps other than creatine and whey ;P
 
Lament said:
A ECA stack is ephedrine, has got absolutely nothing to do with steroids.

Ephedrine was legal for years in SA, found it in 9/10 diet pills, then unfortunately some people abused it, and it got banned.
As soon as something works, it gets banned.
Matter of time before DMAA gets banned as wel.
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Was already placed on the FDA's banned substance list :P
 
Oh I decided to skip gym yesterday, but also didn't go to the doc for anti biotics. I did however have dance class last night, which is not all that stressful on the body atm, since I am not working on making it look good, just practicing remember the new moves.

I do however feel better today, after adding the nose spray last night to block the sinus's.
 
Tinuva said:
No!

This one time I went to the VA in Tygervalley, and there was a dude using the only Squat rack, so as upset as I was I went over to warm up on the other side of the gym on the row machines. So 5 minutes later I went back and this guy was on the ground with paramedics rushing him out. He also hurt something on his back whilst doing squats. I checked the plates loaded, and he was doing 100kg squats. While quite heavy, I have done up to 110kg at my max with squats.

I am pretty certain, if you do an exercise with bad form, it will hurt you, especially when it is a day that you are not feeling great. Me? I am smaller than the guy that got hurt, and I have in the past done more than he did that day.

When you go heavy on Deadlift and Squats, form has to be near perfect. I would go as far, and say the same goes with Bench Press and Overhead Press.

I am a thin'ish guy bodyweight of 72kg and I haven't hurt myself like that before, so all I can believe is, good form helps. A spotter also helps if you do it with bad form, seeing as Chicken Boo exercise in a home gym, I am pretty sure he had no spotter, which makes near perfect form a 1000 times more important. This is also the reason, that if you see form is not what it should be, that you should back down on the weight, even if it is a weight you normally use to warm up with, it means something is wrong and you need to fix that before you go heavy again.
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Just wait until you get older and your ligaments start to stretch a little. Have you ever seen someone's shin collapse sideways as if their knee socket was supposed to bend that way? Happened more than once to my brother. Mostly because of his height and weight combination... that and squash. It happens, and there isn't often a warning.
 
TirNaNog said:
Just wait until you get older and your ligaments start to stretch a little. Have you ever seen someone's shin collapse sideways as if their knee socket was supposed to bend that way? Happened more than once to my brother. Mostly because of his height and weight combination... that and squash. It happens, and there isn't often a warning.
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define older plz. I don't want that happening to me!
 
ryan411 said:
define older plz. I don't want that happening to me!
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:D

35-40... certain factors come into play - playing squash when you weigh 100kgs is one of them... being taller is another. It's no fun, but he's had to give up one or the other (gym/squash).
 
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