The Bodybuilders Thread!

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@rhodad, you completely overdid it IMO. You're a beginner you should get a good beginner program to follow.

1) Check out stronglifts.com for a simple beginner program. Add cardio if you desire.
2) look at builtlean.com on how to get a six pack
 
@rhodad, you completely overdid it IMO. You're a beginner you should get a good beginner program to follow.

Not necessarily. I do SL5x5 and when I started/slack off and restart I get sore after my first couple of workouts.
 
Not necessarily. I do SL5x5 and when I started/slack off and restart I get sore after my first couple of workouts.
Well he got t-rex arms from working only arms and chest for an hour, so that is too long IMO for a beginner and pointless as he's in pain and cant workout effectively 48 hours later? That is not normal!

Re: Stronglifts, you may get a little sore but nothing like what he stated, especially if only using the bar (to start) and following the programme as intended.
 
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Thanks for all the help
Thing is, I'm a complete noob to all of this so I'm basically going into it eyes closed - So any help is appreciated.
Regarding the weights, I've been using machines for this and not the free weights, does this make a difference? Been working solely on arms and chest.
I've been choosing a weight that's just about comfortable with what I can handle and then doing reps until I can't anymore - I don't know if this is the right method.
Regarding cardio, I've been doing 20 minute sessions on the bike, starting with low resistance and ending off with a higher resistance in the last 5 minutes of the session - After which I run on the treadmill until I start feeling my heart beating in my head at which point I'm pretty much done for.

My goal is to get the mag down and to build a bit of muscle on top (arms, shoulders and chest). I don't know what the most effective course of action is for this goal so any advice is appreciated.

Thanks

You absolutely MUST track the calories you consume as accurately as you can and keep your water intake consistent throughout the week as in don't have days where you drink only one or two glasses...
Get the free app MyFitnessPal on android or iphone and so, scan the barcodes of food, weigh the food, log it.
The app does all the rest for you and shows how many calories you have left for the day. You don't even need to know what a calorie is, just that you have x amount left :) if the app doesn't have that food, manually just check the label where it says x kilojoules per 100g and calculate how much you're eating by weighing it.

For something like mince meat just search for lean beef mince meat and pick a generic one.
It has a slight learning curve to the app and feels like a little schlep in the beginning but tracking the calories is literally the key.
"If you're not assessing, you're guessing"

Here's the easy part... weigh yourself each week at the same time, try to do it like on a monday morning.

-If you see your weight increasing, your calorie intake might be higher than what you are burning.
In the BEGINNING don't worry about this TOO much, rather watch the centimeters.
Because of the exercise, you will start storing more water in the muscles and even build some muscle and your weight might increase. This is why consistent water intake is crucial that you don't lose water weight and the scale fools you, making you think you lost fat tissue.

-If it is decreasing keep doing what you're doing. Eat that amount of calories and exercise the same.

-If it stands still at any point, either cut 100kcal from your diet (start with cutting some carbs), or do about 10 minutes extra cardio each day... Increasing activity is the ideal option.

Log your weight and determine a trend... Does it drop, plateau, etc. and you just adjust your calories/activity from there. BOOM! Weight loss

One tip from Dr. Spencer Nodalsky...
Half the starches, double the veggies...
Green veggies have low calories but get you full. They have much lower calories per 100g than most starches. So just take half the rice, and take double the veggies. Lower calories but more food :)



Follow almost any basic program and it will be good enough for quite a while but do just like 2/3 sets of heavy compound exercises (6-8 reps or lower) in the program. It will help to retain the muscle mass you have and it will look like you're getting results quicker because body fat percentage is just that, a percentage. If you lose muscle mass while losing fat, that muscle to fat ratio also decreases at a slower rate.

Skip the machines. Build up form with free weights with light weights and it recruits more muscles with the same exercise compared to a machine.
Stick to proven programs. Don't try to make up a program. For a beginner, you absolutely can not go wrong with ICF 5x5...
Solid proven program.
Just google ICF 5x5 and the first result will give you the program. And answer any questions you probably might have. In the FAQ you'll see the cutting version of the program is just 3 sets of 5 reps for main lifts, and 2 sets instead of 3 for accessory work.

It's a three days a week program and you can do very light cardio on the off days.

Skip the bro splits, they're not very efficient IMO. Full body three times a week works WONDERS for beginners. It builds a great foundation for you to later progress to intermediate programs and no matter what, don't think three times a week is not enough! :) you will get results!
You don't need a billion sets for a single body part to progress...

Was on that program for a while after i was on the "bro split" for my first 6 months and i made so much more progress.
Just don't skip body parts and then you sit with imbalanced muscles causing all kinds of pains or bad posture. Such as not balancing out chest muscles and biceps with back and rear delts, later looking like thoracic kyphosis... Hunchback... Or looking like a gorilla with the chest muscles and biceps pulling the shoulders forward.

My 2c :)
 
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Awesome post b1scu1t ! I had neither the time nor the inclination to type out a whole essay like that on my phone :p
 
Thanks for all the help...

I'm struggling to understand the calories in/calories out system.
I did a semi-intense 20 minute bike session last night and the machine says that I burnt 104 calories. Why is this so low? There are more calories in a chicken breast than that....
Does this mean that I basically have to eat next to nothing to make sure that I'm burning off more than I eat? Or should I increase my cardio sessions to a few hours to make up for what I ate?

The machine measures in kcals which I was told is the equivalent to calories - 1kcal = 1 calorie.
 
Don't trust what the machine tells you...

Find an online tool and calculate your BMR - consume less calories than that on a daily basis and you will loose weight.

Any cardio you do over and above that is a bonus.
 
Thanks for all the help...

I'm struggling to understand the calories in/calories out system.
I did a semi-intense 20 minute bike session last night and the machine says that I burnt 104 calories. Why is this so low? There are more calories in a chicken breast than that....
Does this mean that I basically have to eat next to nothing to make sure that I'm burning off more than I eat? Or should I increase my cardio sessions to a few hours to make up for what I ate?

The machine measures in kcals which I was told is the equivalent to calories - 1kcal = 1 calorie.

Don't worry about what the machine says cause it's pretty much impossible to accurately estimate what you're actually burning. Too many factors.

Start off at a point.
Do the program, heavy weights also burn calories, any activity does so even walking more would be beneficial.

Do for instance 10 minutes cardio on exercises days in the program, and 20 minutes on off days.

http://www.freedieting.com/tools/calorie_calculator.htm
Go to this website and fill in your stats
That'll give you a starting point for fat loss calories.
So it might be like 1900 calories...
That's an estimate of the maximum you need to consume in order to burn the fat.
All that happens is, you don't eat enough for your body to maintain itself, so it resorts to fat stores for the remaining energy needed.

So in the end, with exercise you're for example burning 2400 calories.
So you're in a deficit of 500 calories... Fat loss

If you're eating 2400 calories you will plateau.

The thing is to figure out what YOUR body is doing.
Only way to do that is starting somewhere. Don't start with super low calories cause you're gonna starve yourself unnecessarily.

Start of with what the calculator suggests.
E.g. 1900
Then, each week you weigh at the same time. Then say for instance it's standing still, it might mean that you're burning 1900 calories a day. Calories in(what you eat) is the same as calories out (your activity) and then maybe increase your cardio a bit, maybe just walk more during the day, etc. increase in activity.

Say in two weeks it plateaus again, either increase activity, or cut 100 calories from your diet.
As you can see, it's preferable to increase activity cause you need to eat.
So get the green veggies in. Makes you full and keeps down the calories.

It's a slow process at first, but don't just starve yourself by instantly going to like 1400 calories. It leaves you hungry all the time, without energy and makes exercise even harder...

Ps. Again, don't obsess or worry about the weight in the beginning too much, it could very easily increase as a previously sedentary body so easily builds some muscle and muscle tissue weighs more than fat tissue.
 
Don't worry about what the machine says cause it's pretty much impossible to accurately estimate what you're actually burning. Too many factors.

Start off at a point.
Do the program, heavy weights also burn calories, any activity does so even walking more would be beneficial.

Do for instance 10 minutes cardio on exercises days in the program, and 20 minutes on off days.

http://www.freedieting.com/tools/calorie_calculator.htm
Go to this website and fill in your stats
That'll give you a starting point for fat loss calories.
So it might be like 1900 calories...
That's an estimate of the maximum you need to consume in order to burn the fat.
All that happens is, you don't eat enough for your body to maintain itself, so it resorts to fat stores for the remaining energy needed.

So in the end, with exercise you're for example burning 2400 calories.
So you're in a deficit of 500 calories... Fat loss

If you're eating 2400 calories you will plateau.

The thing is to figure out what YOUR body is doing.
Only way to do that is starting somewhere. Don't start with super low calories cause you're gonna starve yourself unnecessarily.

Start of with what the calculator suggests.
E.g. 1900
Then, each week you weigh at the same time. Then say for instance it's standing still, it might mean that you're burning 1900 calories a day. Calories in(what you eat) is the same as calories out (your activity) and then maybe increase your cardio a bit, maybe just walk more during the day, etc. increase in activity.

Say in two weeks it plateaus again, either increase activity, or cut 100 calories from your diet.
As you can see, it's preferable to increase activity cause you need to eat.
So get the green veggies in. Makes you full and keeps down the calories.

It's a slow process at first, but don't just starve yourself by instantly going to like 1400 calories. It leaves you hungry all the time, without energy and makes exercise even harder...

Ps. Again, don't obsess or worry about the weight in the beginning too much, it could very easily increase as a previously sedentary body so easily builds some muscle and muscle tissue weighs more than fat tissue.

Thanks for all of this....
So, I plugged in my details and it said that maintenance is 2386 calories/day, fat loss is 1909 calories/day and extreme fat loss is 1531 calories/day.
So, with this information in mind, if I consume less than 1909 calories/day then that means fat loss, any extra cardio along with this is just gravy, so to speak.
Am I right in that the best way to approach this is to find the right balance between enough exercise and eating properly so as to not starve yourself while staying below the calorie-in count? I suppose this is a lot tougher than what it sounds.

Now, weight loss is 1909 calories/day. Is this a lot? I suppose I need to start getting an idea of the calorie counts for the most common things. I just don't want to be the guy sitting with a calculator at a restaurant :) .

Ps. Again, don't obsess or worry about the weight in the beginning too much, it could very easily increase as a previously sedentary body so easily builds some muscle and muscle tissue weighs more than fat tissue.

I did in fact pick up a tiny bit since I started exercising and eating a bit better - Was a bit worried
 
Thanks for all the help...

I'm struggling to understand the calories in/calories out system.
I did a semi-intense 20 minute bike session last night and the machine says that I burnt 104 calories. Why is this so low? There are more calories in a chicken breast than that....
Does this mean that I basically have to eat next to nothing to make sure that I'm burning off more than I eat? Or should I increase my cardio sessions to a few hours to make up for what I ate?

The machine measures in kcals which I was told is the equivalent to calories - 1kcal = 1 calorie.
Do what the previous two posts said, also read this: http://www.builtlean.com/2011/01/18/how-many-calories-should-you-eat-to-lose-weight/
 
Thanks for all of this....
So, I plugged in my details and it said that maintenance is 2386 calories/day, fat loss is 1909 calories/day and extreme fat loss is 1531 calories/day.
So, with this information in mind, if I consume less than 1909 calories/day then that means fat loss, any extra cardio along with this is just gravy, so to speak.
Am I right in that the best way to approach this is to find the right balance between enough exercise and eating properly so as to not starve yourself while staying below the calorie-in count? I suppose this is a lot tougher than what it sounds.

Now, weight loss is 1909 calories/day. Is this a lot? I suppose I need to start getting an idea of the calorie counts for the most common things. I just don't want to be the guy sitting with a calculator at a restaurant :) .



I did in fact pick up a tiny bit since I started exercising and eating a bit better - Was a bit worried

Yeah so you say you exercise for example 5 days a week, it estimates that consuming 1900 calories a day, you would be in a caloric deficit and would burnt fat for energy for the remaining calories your body needs.

The more active you are = more calories burnt = bigger calorie deficit = more fat your body uses for energy :)
So even adding a quick walk around the block would add up to more calories burnt.

It's only seems tough because it's different :) it really does get easier and it becomes a lifestyle that anyone would enjoy because you do feel more energised and overall better in so many ways.

So yes finding that balance is a process. you stick with a program and keep track of your calorie intake and then it's just adjustments from there. Make the calories count with high satiated foods like potatoes, veggies and lean protein sources. It will keep you full for longer so 1900 calories can really be more than enough if you spend the calories well.

Estimates:
Steak 100g - 122kcal
Potato 100g - 73kcal
Broccoli 100g - 31kcal
Mixed Vegetables 100g - 71kcal
Chicken 100g - 140kcal
KFC Tower Burger - 713kcal
KFC Sprinkle Pops - 367kcal
Debonairs Large Club pizza - 1546kcal
Debonairs Triple Decker pizza - 2763 kcal
Coke 250ml - 99kcal

http://mygaming.co.za/news/features/71719-sas-fattiest-fast-food-meals.html

So yes you can stretch 1900kcal quite far and stay full. Not as full as you are used to but you will adjust and your body will learn to maintain itself with less calories (by burning fat). So just hang in there. THIS is the reason extreme sudden calorie deficits doesn't work and people give up because it's very difficult to handle such lower calories overnight. This is why you increase activity and/or GRADUALLY lower calories so that it eases in.

After you will just guess the calories for foods at restaurants, but the popular take away places have some results on that MyFitnessPal app like the KFC foods i listed and more.


The weight increase might be muscle mass increase along with more glycogen and water. I say might because no one knows what your daily calories in or out are :) In the beginning I picked up quite a couple of kilograms even though being in a very large deficit. New muscle because the results showed in my weight training performance going up.
 
Hi all,

I need some advice from guys who know that they are talking about. Please, if you are not sure or only 'know' stuff from hearing it somewhere please don't comment. I take my training seriously and don't want to take advice that will stuff it up.

I train 3 times a week (can't train more so please don't suggest it - I have other commitments). Day 1 is chest, triceps and stomach. Day 2 is back and biceps. Day 3 is shoulders and legs.

I use USN Hyperbolic Mass twice a day with half a cup of oats everyday of the week. I then drink Evox Synergy whey with half a cup of oats before bed time every night.

I have oats for bfast with 2 to 3 boiled egg whites every morning. I then snack on rice cakes in the day. I have a peanut butter bomb once a day. I have a banana once a day. I drink plenty of water. I eat meat, two veggies and a starch (normally real mashed potato's) for dinner and lunch every day. I've been doing the above diet with the supplements above that for the past 4 weeks now at the end of this week.

My goal is to gain mass. I have a very fast metabolism. I used only the mass builders for about 8 months and hardly gained a kg before I added the new diet. I did gain muscle and lost some weight around my waist but not really any mass before the new diet. I am 1.87cm and weigh now around 87kg. So in the last 3.5 weeks I've gained around 4kg. I can def see a difference in my chest - this is also where I've been struggling the most to gain size.

I've completely stopped doing bench presses now as I struggle too much - my shoulders do too much work. I now do cables from top and bottom, the chest press and the peck deck with some push ups'in between.

Anyway, so my issue now is that I fear I am picking up too much weight around my stomach. I am not doing any cardio atm as I didn't wana burn away the calories or muscle where I've been trying to gain. At the end of a day after all the eating I def have a little boep going - and I am not liking it at all.

So I need some advice here on how to manage this going forward.

Thanks guys!
 
Hi all,

I need some advice from guys who know that they are talking about. Please, if you are not sure or only 'know' stuff from hearing it somewhere please don't comment. I take my training seriously and don't want to take advice that will stuff it up.

I train 3 times a week (can't train more so please don't suggest it - I have other commitments). Day 1 is chest, triceps and stomach. Day 2 is back and biceps. Day 3 is shoulders and legs.

I use USN Hyperbolic Mass twice a day with half a cup of oats everyday of the week. I then drink Evox Synergy whey with half a cup of oats before bed time every night.

I have oats for bfast with 2 to 3 boiled egg whites every morning. I then snack on rice cakes in the day. I have a peanut butter bomb once a day. I have a banana once a day. I drink plenty of water. I eat meat, two veggies and a starch (normally real mashed potato's) for dinner and lunch every day. I've been doing the above diet with the supplements above that for the past 4 weeks now at the end of this week.

My goal is to gain mass. I have a very fast metabolism. I used only the mass builders for about 8 months and hardly gained a kg before I added the new diet. I did gain muscle and lost some weight around my waist but not really any mass before the new diet. I am 1.87cm and weigh now around 87kg. So in the last 3.5 weeks I've gained around 4kg. I can def see a difference in my chest - this is also where I've been struggling the most to gain size.

I've completely stopped doing bench presses now as I struggle too much - my shoulders do too much work. I now do cables from top and bottom, the chest press and the peck deck with some push ups'in between.

Anyway, so my issue now is that I fear I am picking up too much weight around my stomach. I am not doing any cardio atm as I didn't wana burn away the calories or muscle where I've been trying to gain. At the end of a day after all the eating I def have a little boep going - and I am not liking it at all.

So I need some advice here on how to manage this going forward.

Thanks guys!

So many things in that post I do not particularly agree with ( one being mass builders bs )

Here is a few links that I think should guide you to your answer.

3 Day Split - worth looking at.
http://muscletalk.co.za/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3

I suggest you read this:

Cutting/bulking 101
http://muscletalk.co.za/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=25

You said you take your training serious, well here you go:

http://muscletalk.co.za/viewtopic.php?f=11&t=24
 
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