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Hey all... I am new to My broadband and was busy searching for help on supplements...and landed over here. Now for hours I've been reading through the posts on this thread but cant come to a prefect conclusion..the question i have is a as follows..

I saw a lot of people say USN is Biogen and both are useless.... I do however read that Evox and SSn as well as Muscletech is very good. Now the question i have is.....Which one of these (Evox/SSN) is the best.....I know about muscletech coz I know that Kai Greene, and cutler and phil uses Muscletech. now muscletech is a bit expensive but its good yes..

But since im eating on a good diet and doing all i can....which of the following is the proven best?
SSN or EvoX?

anyone have some experience with it?

I'd really appreciate it if someone can help :D.
 
Hey all... I am new to My broadband and was busy searching for help on supplements...and landed over here. Now for hours I've been reading through the posts on this thread but cant come to a prefect conclusion..the question i have is a as follows..

I saw a lot of people say USN is Biogen and both are useless.... I do however read that Evox and SSn as well as Muscletech is very good. Now the question i have is.....Which one of these (Evox/SSN) is the best.....I know about muscletech coz I know that Kai Greene, and cutler and phil uses Muscletech. now muscletech is a bit expensive but its good yes..

But since im eating on a good diet and doing all i can....which of the following is the proven best?
SSN or EvoX?

anyone have some experience with it?

I'd really appreciate it if someone can help :D.

Welcome. What are your goals?

Maybe you don't even need supplements?

[video=youtube;W_vhIUN1V9k]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_vhIUN1V9k[/video]
 
Has to be. But I think training 3 -5 hours a day lifting 100kg+, you are going to get big no matter what.

From what I've heard and read unless you are chemically enhancing yourself training for 3-5 hours per day is going to do more harm than good - your body will never have time to recover.
 
From what I've heard and read unless you are chemically enhancing yourself training for 3-5 hours per day is going to do more harm than good - your body will never have time to recover.

True. Maybe some of the time is spent working on technique and doing her makeup. Pretty girl though.
 
From what I've heard and read unless you are chemically enhancing yourself training for 3-5 hours per day is going to do more harm than good - your body will never have time to recover.

Untrue !!!!


Your body only knows the intensity of the application you place upon it and it can only respond in one way. Adapt
 
Untrue !!!!


Your body only knows the intensity of the application you place upon it and it can only respond in one way. Adapt

man you are full of ***

http://www.nature.com/articles/icb200070
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/rswan6.htm
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3435910/

from the last link
OTS appears to be a maladapted response to excessive exercise without adequate rest, resulting in perturbations of multiple body systems (neurologic, endocrinologic, immunologic) coupled with mood changes. Many hypotheses of OTS pathogenesis are reviewed, and a clinical approach to athletes with possible OTS (including history, testing, and prevention) is presented.

of course roids make overtraining a lot harder to achieve... is that why you don't know anything about it?
 
man you are full of ***

http://www.nature.com/articles/icb200070
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/rswan6.htm
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3435910/

from the last link


of course roids make overtraining a lot harder to achieve... is that why you don't know anything about it?

Omg, another keyboard warrior biatch.

After reading your articles you are someone who would deem anything mildly intense as overtraining. If your nutrition and sleep is in place then you will not overtrain, your body will adapt it can only adapt it will only adapt. Your body only knows the intensity of the application you place upon it son, provided you fuel it with proper nutrition end of story.

This would be considered over training by you, but your wrong:
http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/kris-gethin-dtp-4-weeks-to-maximum-muscle.html

You may have heard that high reps won't build muscle. This is not the case. You'll definitely build muscle, but more importantly, you'll build muscle density, you'll be able to hit the Type I muscle fibers. Then, as the weight gets a little heavier, you'll get to the Type IIA muscle fibers and then finish off with the Type IIB fibers.

Muscular hypertrophy, or muscle growth, is at the heart of the sport of bodybuilding. But it's not just for the mass monsters; the vast majority of people who start training want to build some muscle, even if they'd never dream of calling themselves a "bodybuilder." However, many fear that the high volume in hypertrophy-focused programs will inevitably put them on a slippery slope to "overtraining," a condition which will end up causing them to lose muscle.

So the real question is: What does it really take to push someone over the edge? The answer is, "Probably more than you think."

First, let's clarify that there is a difference between "overreaching" and "overtraining." Overreaching is a short-term decline in performance that can be recovered from in several days. Overtraining occurs when it takes weeks or months to recover. This is actually an extremely rare occurrence—as long as nutrition and supplementation are adequate.

Further, unlike overtraining, which is negative, overreaching can actually be beneficial in a well-structured training split. Let's take a look at the recent research and see how to make volume work for you.

The two most prominently discussed causes of overtraining are training frequency and volume.1 One of the old school myths of bodybuilding is that training any body part more than once or twice per week will result in "going catabolic." However, there's plenty of research that shows the opposite.

In one recent example, researchers in Norway took elite strength athletes who were training squats, deadlifts, and bench press three times per week and turned up the training frequency to six times per week.2 I'm sure many of your overtraining alarms are going off, but the researchers actually found that their subjects' strength and hypertrophy skyrocketed! This isn't totally unexpected. In fact, many elite athletes, such as the legendary Bulgarian national teams, have been training 3-4 times per day for decades.3

Frequency is important because training increases protein synthesis, but in well-trained athletes, this response lasts only 16-24 hours.4 Thus, if you blast each body part only once per week, you only really boost protein synthesis for a day afterward. If you have specific goals for, say, your arms, legs, or glutes, why would you stop there? Why not allow for growth three times per week or more?

The next issue is volume, which refers to the number of sets performed during training. There are two schools of thought about how volume affects hypertrophy. The first is that all the body really needs is one hard set, as long as it is performed to failure. The second calls for a higher-volume, multiple-set approach. Recently some researchers at the University of Sydney in Australia studied volume in a bodybuilding population with this debate in mind.5 They followed three groups who performed 3, 12, or 24 sets of squats per week. Their conclusion: the higher the number of sets, the greater the gains.

Perhaps put yourself the test first, I see you like the bodybuilding.com articles why not do this trainer where he speaks constantly about the myth of over training:

http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/kris-gethin-12-week-daily-trainer.html

I can guarantee you if you have the balls to do that then you will understand overtraining, but hey lets say you did do it and still dont grasp it, well firstly thats impossible unless you pissied out during workouts, but lets pretend.

Then go through his follow up trainer: http://www.bodybuilding.com/fun/kris-gethins-12-week-muscle-building-trainer.html

Now don't get me wrong, Overtraining is a real thing! Just not to you, or me for that matter, you don't train at that level nor do I, if we did then well we won't be talking here, we would be in bed focusing on tomorrow mornings workout.


References
Fry, A. C., & Kraemer, W. J. (1997). Resistance exercise overtraining and overreaching. Sports Medicine, 23(2), 106-129.
Raastad T., Kirketeig, A., Wolf, D., Paulsen G. Powerlifters improved strength and muscular adaptations to a greater extent when equal total training volume was divided into 6 compared to 3 training sessions per week. 17th annual conference of the ECSS, Brugge 4-7 July 2012.
Garhammer, J., & Takano, B. (1992). "Training for weightlifting." Strength and Power in Sport, 357-369.
Kim, P. L., Staron, R. S., & Phillips, S. M. (2005). Fasted-state skeletal muscle protein synthesis after resistance exercise is altered with training. The Journal of Physiology, 568(1), 283-290.
Robbins, D. W., Marshall, P. W., & McEwen, M. (2012). The effect of training volume on lower-body strength. The Journal of Strength & Conditioning Research, 26(1), 34-39.
 
Untrue !!!!


Your body only knows the intensity of the application you place upon it and it can only respond in one way. Adapt

Agree - not all training is the same. There are many ways you can enhance your training regime if you have time. For the average Joe, you won't do yourself any favours spending 3-5 hours in the gym, 8 hours at work + a social life... but most pro bodybuilders spend plenty time working out - it's not all about photoshoots. They also spend plenty time resting and sleeping as required.
 
Untrue !!!!


Your body only knows the intensity of the application you place upon it and it can only respond in one way. Adapt

I have always had issues with biceps and getting them to grow with the "normal" practises until I came across an article on BodyBuilding.com about training a lagging muscle group 2-3 days in a row.

So tried it, hit arms heavy on day 1 then hit same thing on day 2, on day 2 I felt something I hardly ever felt when training biceps before, a massive pump.
Usually my bicep routine was start off with heavy set then drop right away to lighter weights to get a pump in, id then hit the wall, its tough having to work and travel all day, it drains you before you can hit the gym.

Im now training biceps and triceps 3 days in a row and feeling growth in less than 2 weeks, my arms feel full is the only way I can explain it, they feel pumped all the time and are finally growing.
 
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I appreciate it that you guys like it. :)

( Your body only knows the intensity of the application you place upon it )
 
My body is suffering, cardio sucks.. still 10kg to go then I start weights again.
 
would something like this be available here in SA at a fair price

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I have an iron gym and the door height is starting to get in the way of my progressions, I can do about 15-20 pull ups so I've started doing them weighted at the gym to bring the reps down the extra leg room would be better
 
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