The Brexit Thread

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Cray said:
So you are saying that the colour of the passport was never cited by the leave campaign? If it was so inconsequential why was it mentioned and why did it change post Brexit?

And I fully agree, the colour of the passport is absurd, yet apparently it's my fault for pointing out that it was used by members of the leave campaign.
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The leavers have never mentioned passports, it’s an obvious lie, naturally :rolleyes:

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Romford MP and big Brexit supporter Andrew Rosindell

http://www.romfordrecorder.co.uk/ne...ard-to-leaving-troubled-institution-1-4853189


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https://www.itv.com/news/update/2016-06-07/farage-calls-for-reintroduction-of-british-passports/
 
Cray said:
So you are saying that the colour of the passport was never cited by the leave campaign? If it was so inconsequential why was it mentioned and why did it change post Brexit?

And I fully agree, the colour of the passport is absurd, yet apparently it's my fault for pointing out that it was used by members of the leave campaign.
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If they (the leavers) did mention it. I didn't notice. My passport expired this year so I will probably be dead by the time it expires. The point therefore is of little practical interest to me. I was more concerned at giving the contract to a foreign company, in contrast to some EU members.
As to why it changed, and who was behind the change I have no idea. I am just not interested. There are more important things in life.
 
Cray said:
So all the people who say they didn't realise what they voted for where lying? You and Pitbull are welcome to speak for yourselves, it crazy to claim that you know what everyone who voted leave was thinking.
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Dave said:
The brexiteers were mostly too ignorant to realise that ;)

Maybe they’d never seen a Croatian passport...

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I have seen Croatian passports. I am a brexiteer.
 
Dave said:
You must have missed the fact that the UK hasn’t actually left the EU yet...
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Cray at post 3046 said;-

Hey, but at least they get a blue passport now...:rolleyes: Oh wait, that was never an EU regulation anyway.

I suggest you quibble with him. I know perfectly well that we are still in the EU. I also know that the EU do not specify a colour, or perhaps do not enforce it if they do. I am simply not interested.
 
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Ancalagon said:
I don't think the people properly understood what they were getting into when they voted in the referendum.
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There is a lot of nonsense from all sides about the referendum. On the day the result was published a friend of mine who has always been pro EU was telephoned by a young relative, who ranted on at him that "you old people have shafted us youngsters"!!!! Apart from the fact that my friend is and was pro EU, the person making the accusation seems to have been relying on newspaper speculation. The vote was a secret ballot. Some people do various sorts of poll and claim they are accurate. Mrs. May for one now knows better - and Cameron too! I have been approached several times by pollsters, and always lie to them. I know of others that do the same.
 
Frequent visitor said:
If they (the leavers) did mention it. I didn't notice. My passport expired this year so I will probably be dead by the time it expires. The point therefore is of little practical interest to me. I was more concerned at giving the contract to a foreign company, in contrast to some EU members.
As to why it changed, and who was behind the change I have no idea. I am just not interested. There are more important things in life.
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So not reductio ad absurdum then.
 
Pitbull said:
This I can agree with to a degree. Allow the people to have a say in the type of Brexit they want. Brexit will happen according to the referendum. Maybe have on to determine hard/soft as an example.
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That's what the vast majority are asking for - a vote on the deal that has been presented, not another referendum.

https://www.peoples-vote.uk/

Pitbull said:
You're comparing a Sheep to a Scambler here...

They voted to join the EU and they did. 40 years have lapsed. Now they had one to remain or leave. The referendum back in the 70s was honored. The Brexit referendum has not been honored. How can you compare the two? Having the generation which will have to deal with the issue now vote as opposed to those who had to deal with it in the 70s. Makes 100% sense.
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Pitbull said:
And you are sure of this how?

They have already won, they don't need to win a second time just to win? This whole second referendum started the day they remainers lost. It will never happen, they have clarified that numerous times already. Let it go :D
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So the problem you have is not with having another referendum, it's the time that's lapsed? The first referendum was legitimate and they voted to be in.

How much time has to go by before you would consider another referendum legitimate?
 
Chris_the_Brit said:
The main Leave campaign slogan was "Take back control". It's pretty obvious what it means:

Take back control of the borders
Take back control of the laws
Take back control of the money
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And you, like Rees-Mogg, have never been able to actually articulate what this means in reality with any coherence. It's vapid sloganeering, not policy.

And the whole reason this process has been such a farce is because one side of Leave promised a very different picture to the 'Hard Brexiters'. They promised all the nice stuff from the EU with none of the concessions. Turned out to be built on brazen lies, as was pointed out.
 
OrbitalDawn said:
That's what the vast majority are asking for - a vote on the deal that has been presented, not another referendum.

https://www.peoples-vote.uk/





So the problem you have is not with having another referendum, it's the time that's lapsed? The first referendum was legitimate and they voted to be in.

How much time has to go by before you would consider another referendum legitimate?
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It's not time bound, no idea where you got that from. The referendum was for a specific action. You can't now want to chance the outcome because the action wasn't completed. Do full Brexit, once it's done and tested by all means have another vote. Firts complete the action the people requested.
 
NarrowBandFtw said:
No they don't, being in Schengen or not makes very little difference when you are literally forced by the EU to accept a certain quota of Polish migrants and to pay them social support. Go google it.


False again, they have a pitiful few directives where they are slightly flexible on, the letter of the EU membership agreement / law outright states that all members shall implement certain directives within their domestic legislation. I've posted the doc and exact wording multiple times in the past.


That they did, unfortunately the BoE just parrots the policy decisions of other major central banks, so they may as well have given up their currency as well tbh
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I love how people just fall hook, line and sinker for political party propaganda.

These 3 talking points are central to the Torry Manifesto.

Anyway lets see some analysis of these -

Control of borders - The UK has control. It has just chosen not to fully enforce the control it has, over EU nationals.

https://fullfact.org/europe/border-security-eu/

Control of its laws - The UK has only voted against 2% of EU laws. After Brexit the UK is transposing all the current laws. They controlled what was adopted and have further decided to keep those laws.

https://fullfact.org/europe/eu-facts-behind-claims-uk-influence/

UK controls its money. Has independent stress tests, controls the interest rate independently and as I said before still has its own currency, that use to be much stronger than before the referendum.
 
buka001 said:
Control of borders - The UK has control. It has just chosen not to fully enforce the control it has, over EU nationals.

https://fullfact.org/europe/border-security-eu/
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While I am definitely a Remain supporter, I do think that article glosses over one important point - the UK cannot legally deny an EU citizen entry into the UK, and neither can a UK employer prefer a UK citizen over an EU citizen. A Polish person can jump on a plane to the UK and get a job the next day, and the UK cannot do anything about it.

Now, personally, while I understand they the Brits are concerned about that, I don't see it as a big issue. But I just thought I'd point out that the fullfacts article misses one very important Brexit issue.
 
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