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Aqua_lung said:
Now, people who have lived in the UK all their lives are now being forced to pay 65 quid to stay? Sounds a bit like 1940's Germany...
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Who are these people who have been living there all their lives and not made the change to citizen yet? This is applicable to EU nationals who want to remain. Pretty small price to pay if you fear Brexit that much...
 
Pitbull said:
skynews

Go read it maybe...

https://news.sky.com/story/theresa-...-bid-to-win-over-brexit-deal-critics-11613275
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Your own article says:

The EU has repeatedly rejected any suggestion the Withdrawal Agreement could be amended, and Ireland's Foreign Minister Simon Coveney earlier dismissed such suggestions.
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Reading a few more articles shows:

Ireland on Sunday rejected the possibility of an alternative deal for the Irish border post Brexit, but said it continued to support the backstop as outlined in the Brexit withdrawal agreement.

"We remain united [and] focused on protecting Ireland," Irish Deputy Prime Minister Simon Coveney wrote on Twitter. "That includes continued support for the EU/UK agreed [Withdrawal Agreement] in full, including the Backstop as negotiated."
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https://www.dw.com/en/brexit-theresa-may-seeks-bilateral-treaty-with-ireland/a-47155216

"We have to negotiate and also agree a withdrawal agreement with Britain. It is a bit of a mystery to me what the British government wants to negotiate with Dublin or what sort of an additional agreement it should be," he told German television.

"It won't have any effect on what was agreed with the (European) Commission."

Maas also said it would be "very difficult" to renegotiate Britain's withdrawal agreement with the EU.

"All 27 members must agree. In the last few days there have been relatively clear statements that there are many who are not ready to and there are some that are open to it. We have to wait to see what the Britons suggest," he said.
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https://www.rte.ie/news/brexit/2019/0120/1024336-brexit/

It’s amazing how people don’t seem to get that Ireland can’t sign a bilateral deal whilst being a member of the EU...
 
Pitbull said:
You seem to nitpick from the article. But alas, should have expected as much.
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I’m not nitpicking, you made a definitive statement;

Pitbull said:
I see the backstop is on it's way out...
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Which doesn’t seem to stand to scrutiny, unless you have some other facts not yet in evidence to back it up?

Theresa May would like to see the the backstop disappear but in fact it’s doubtful it’s going anywhere whilst May’s deal is around.




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I love how you think posting an unequivocal denial from the Irish is nitpicking :laugh:.
 
Dave said:
I’m not nitpicking, you made a definitive statement;



Which doesn’t seem to stand to scrutiny, unless you have some other facts not yet in evidence to back it up?

Theresa May would like to see the the backstop disappear but in fact it’s doubtful it’s going anywhere whilst May’s deal is around.




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I love how you think posting an unequivocal denial from the Irish is nitpicking :laugh:.
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No not at all. The article clearly states, she is going to remove the Backstop and will have to try and negotiate some kind of deal with Ireland. That is the only way she could get enough votes to get the deal through. I'm not there to see what's going on, I'm going by what we're being told. But this afternoon we will all know and you can find something else to cry about I guess :D
 
Source: https://www.theguardian.com/politic...ss-party-consensus-brexit-backstop-tory-split
fresh polling evidence suggests the public are sanguine about the possibility of a no-deal Brexit.

A poll by ICM conducted after last week’s government defeat and seen by the Guardian asked voters what should happen next.

The most popular option, backed by 28% of voters, was a no-deal Brexit. Demonstrating the divide in public opinion, the next most popular option, supported by 24% of the public, is to start the process of holding a second referendum.

In the representative online poll of 2,046 adults between 16–18 January, just 8% thought May should press ahead with trying to win support for her deal in parliament, while 11% thought she should call a general election
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Polls are ... well, just polls ... but encouraging to see the most popular option was "no-deal brexit"!
 
Pitbull said:
No not at all. The article clearly states, she is going to remove the Backstop and will have to try and negotiate some kind of deal with Ireland. That is the only way she could get enough votes to get the deal through. I'm not there to see what's going on, I'm going by what we're being told. But this afternoon we will all know and you can find something else to cry about I guess :D
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Where does it “clearly state she is going to remove the backstop”?

The closest I can see is an aspiration;

Mrs May is expected to set out plans to try and "remove the Irish backstop"
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Even Downing Street disagrees with you...

'No solutions' to Irish backstop in May's Brexit call with cabinet

However, a Downing Street source said the plan was “not one we recognise”. Irish sources said the government would reject any approach from May for a bilateral side deal, calling the idea a “non-starter” and saying the EU was very clear the withdrawal agreement could not be reopened unless May changed her red lines.

A No 10 source also dismissed reports that the Good Friday agreement could be amended to add a clause pledging there would be no hard border, saying it was not under consideration and had not been discussed on the call.

The Irish foreign minister, Simon Coveney, said: “I can assure you that the Irish government’s commitment to the entire withdrawal agreement is absolute, including the backstop to ensure, no matter what, an open border between Ireland and Northern Ireland, and the Good Friday agreement, are protected.”

“The solidarity in the EU is complete there, as Donald Tusk and Jean-Claude Juncker made clear: they are waiting to see what Theresa May’s plan B is,” an Irish government source added. “From our perspective, a bilateral deal is just not a credible proposal.”

Heiko Maas, the German foreign minister, was sceptical on Sunday that British attempts to push Dublin to accept changes to the backstop would bear fruit for the UK. Asked by the German ZDF television about reports of talks between Britain and the Irish government, Maas said the UK’s goals were “a mystery”.

He said: “We have to negotiate and also agree a withdrawal agreement with Britain. It is a bit of a mystery to me what the British government wants to negotiate with Dublin or what sort of an additional agreement it should be. It won’t have any effect on what was agreed with the [European] commission.

“All 27 members must agree. In the last few days there have been relatively clear statements that there are many who are not ready to and there are some that are open to it. We have to wait to see what the Britons suggest.”
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https://www.theguardian.com/politic...ss-party-consensus-brexit-backstop-tory-split


So no facts to support your statement beyond your interpretation of May’s hope in that news article?
 
Pitbull said:
Again, let's wait then shall we.

I only went on what the article said.
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No, you didn’t, you took a “try to” and turned it into a definitive statement, it could be described as taking a reported aspiration and turning it into fake news.

Pitbull said:
You can get your panties in a knot all you want :D
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Calling you out on making fake news statements is hardly getting panties in a knot, at least not to most intelligent people...
 
Dave said:
No, you didn’t, you took a “try to” and turned it into a definitive statement, it could be described as taking a reported aspiration and turning it into fake news.



Calling you out on making fake news statements is hardly getting panties in a knot, at least not to most intelligent people...
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What fake news statement?

Maybe take it up with Skynews? Fark me... You are triggered :D
 
Pitbull said:
What fake news statement?

Maybe take it up with Skynews? Fark me... You are triggered :D
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I have to side with Dave on this one... the Skynews article says May will investigate the options, but you turned that into a "The backstop is gone" statement... which it isn't.
 
NarrowBandFtw said:
Yes, the EU courts have already confirmed the UK may unilaterally cancel / revoke their article 50 notice, which would mean status quo and staying in the EU forever.

The UK parliament might do that and sell it as "just temporary while we finalize our strategy for brexit blablablabla", but if they go there they will never leave.

I think even that is more likely than hard / no deal brexit, which is sad.
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I don't think that May will revoke article 50 because most people in the UK wanted Brexit and so she needs to deliver on it. I think they will ask for an extension on article 50.

The Best Brexit deal would have been the Norway deal however the Tories (who didn't want Brexit to start off with) started off the negotiations from a subservient position with the EU and the EU seen this and acted all tough. If May and the Tories had gone in their with we are looking at a "hard Brexit with a couple of European commitments" I think they would of been able to negotiate a Norway type deal quite easily.

It looks like the EU is worrying a bit now that May's current deal has been rejected.
 
Can't believe I'm quoting the Guardian of all places (!!!) - the paper for posh and snobbish middle class socialists - but this was a rather enjoyable read.

England’s rebel spirit is rising – and it wants a no-deal Brexit

In my innocence, I didn’t expect many people to be in a central Portsmouth Wetherspoons at 10.30am on a Friday morning. But there they all were, in their droves: passionate supporters of Brexit, there to hear the pub chain’s founder and chairman, Tim Martin, make the case for Britain leaving the EU with no deal. Martin has been on the road since November, with the aim of visiting at least 100 of his boozers. The day we crossed paths, he was traversing the south coast, moving on to Southampton and Weymouth: given that it has whetted the appetite of what remains of the country’s local press, drawn large crowds and shifted huge amounts of food and drink, the whole thing looks to have been an unlikely success.
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Last Thursday, the BBC’s Question Time was broadcast from Derby, where an endorsement for no deal from the writer Isabel Oakeshott triggered mass whoops and cheers, and yet another explosion of Brexit noise on Twitter. The truth that brief moment underlined is obvious: whatever the warnings from politicians, many people currently support the nightmarish prospect of the UK leaving the EU without any formal agreement.

The extent to which that belief is a matter of deep conviction is a moot point: I wrote about Brexit boredom last week, and it seems pretty clear that many people say they would opt for no deal if pushed, but do so in the midst of disconnection and bafflement. Nonetheless, an inconvenient truth remains. Whereas I have never heard any member of the public make the case for what politicians call Norway plus, and belief in a second referendum still seems to be largely the preserve of a certain kind of middle-class person, no deal is the position that scores of people have recently expressed to me without prompting: “We should just get out”; “We have to leave, now”; “Why can’t we just walk away
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ToxicBunny said:
I have to side with Dave on this one... the Skynews article says May will investigate the options, but you turned that into a "The backstop is gone" statement... which it isn't.
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By all means,

The article heading summed it up perfectly fine though:

Theresa May set to reveal plan to ditch Irish backstop in bid to win over Brexit deal critics
 
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