The Brexit Thread

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NarrowBandFtw said:
On the contrary, MPs know exactly what they want: to remain a vassal to the EU and keep the status quo forever more.

What they disagree on is how to sell it to the public that voted to leave ...
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A vassal to the EU - rofl!

Do you yearn for the Good Old Days when Britannia was Master of the Waves and held an Empire on which the sun never set?

"Them folk at the EU should be taking orders from us, not the other way around!"

Brexiteers cannot seem to adjust to the UK's new place in the world. It is (currently) an important part of the EU. It helped set the EU up. It provides a lot of policy direction in the EU. Just because the EU countries do not lick the UK's boot heels, does not mean the UK is not respected.

The days of Empire are over. Get over it! The UK is just another country. Sure, it has a high GDP. It has an important place in the EU. But that is it - a place in the EU. Just like any other country. Just like Germany or France.
 
Ancalagon said:
A vassal to the EU
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yes, and you agree even if you laugh:

Ancalagon said:
the UK's new place in the world
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They're an independent country, they do not need to accept shyte from the EU AT ALL, unless they remain a member / vassal that is.

What do you have against people wanting to determine their own path in life? It is their choice and theirs alone, and they have made it fyi ...
 
NarrowBandFtw said:
yes, and you agree even if you laugh:


They're an independent country, they do not need to accept shyte from the EU AT ALL, unless they remain a member / vassal that is.

What do you have against people wanting to determine their own path in life? It is their choice and theirs alone, and they have made it fyi ...
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Actually the UK does have to accept some of the shyte from the EU... the EU holds ALL the power in these negotiations, not the other way around
 
ToxicBunny said:
Actually the UK does have to accept some of the shyte from the EU... the EU holds ALL the power in these negotiations, not the other way around
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Yeah the 3rd largest economy in the EU has no negotiating power, none whatsoever ... :ROFL:

It is exactly the other way around, have you not paid attention to how the EU is bending over backwards to offer the UK chances to stay? They've gotten the court to state outright that the UK can unilaterally revoke article 50, they called a committee to essentially agree to let the UK extend article 50 should they wish.

They simply would not have done that if they were not more scared of a hard brexit than the UK is, it is a damn pity the UK doesn't have competent negotiators to spot that obvious truth, but that doesn't change the fact that the UK very much has leverage, their representatives are just too stupid and/or unwilling to use it properly.
 
NarrowBandFtw said:
Yeah the 3rd largest economy in the EU has no negotiating power, none whatsoever ... :ROFL:

It is exactly the other way around, have you not paid attention to how the EU is bending over backwards to offer the UK chances to stay? They've gotten the court to state outright that the UK can unilaterally revoke article 50, they called a committee to essentially agree to let the UK extend article 50 should they wish.

They simply would not have done that if they were not more scared of a hard brexit than the UK is, it is a damn pity the UK doesn't have competent negotiators to spot that obvious truth, but that doesn't change the fact that the UK very much has leverage, their representatives are just too stupid and/or unwilling to use it properly.
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Ok dude..

Your reality and ours are clearly different.
 
ToxicBunny said:
Actually the UK does have to accept some of the shyte from the EU... the EU holds ALL the power in these negotiations, not the other way around
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No, it doesn't.

If the UK drops out with a no deal Brexit, they just have to look after themselves, as an economically powerful country, they can take a hit and still be OK.

You cannot honestly say that for the EU.
https://paultang.nl/wp-content/uploads/2018/05/Net-Contributions-to-the-EU-Revisited.pdf
The EU ony has a few net contributors, the UK being one of them. Loosing the UK will mean that between Germany, Sweden, France, Denmark, Austria, Finland and Italy, they will have to cough up more to cover the gap.
Macron is delusional if he thinks that paying the EU more when his country is going to support an increase in contributions.
Sweden has said: no.
Italy has just entered into a recession

Which will probably leave Fritz to foot the bill.

Then there is the Ireland problem. Ireland is heavily dependant on the EU and its tarrifs for keeping its agricultural products competitive with the UK. With the EU gone, the UK can source its agricultural produce from other countries which are cheaper. Beef for example is cheaper from Argentina:
Price is obviously a consideration. The live price for Argentine heifers and steers is €1.60/kg - and €1.35/kg for cows. This compares to an average Irish price for steers and heifers of €2.20-2.25/kg, with up to €1.60/kg being paid for cows.
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https://www.independent.ie/business...-foothold-in-the-british-market-35851304.html

This has a double effect for the EU as Ireland will also need more of those farm subsidies to keep its farms from collapsing.
 
ToxicBunny said:
Ok dude..

Your reality and ours are clearly different.
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3rd largest economy in the EU is an objectively verifiable fact
The EU making unsolicited moves to allow the UK to cancel or delay article 50 is another objectively verifiable fact

What's this about one reality vs another? There is only fact, you're welcome to disagree on why the EU chose to make it that easy for the UK to just call it all off, care to offer a better explanation than "because they're shyte scared of hard brexit and they don't actually hold all the cards"?
 
Ok, so you're going to gloss over the fact that billions will pour out of the UK if/when they leave the EU?
 
Ok so which large multinationals are threatening to leave the EU if Brexit happens?
 
ToxicBunny said:
Ok so which large multinationals are threatening to leave the EU if Brexit happens?
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Literally every single large multinational that is in the UK and not threatening to leave the UK, will be leaving the EU ... obvious really, no need for empty threats, that is the guaranteed outcome.
 
NarrowBandFtw said:
Literally every single large multinational that is in the UK and not threatening to leave the UK, will be leaving the EU ... obvious really, no need for empty threats, that is the guaranteed outcome.
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Can you name one large multinational that has said they intend to leave the EU?
 
Dave said:
Can you name one large multinational that has said they intend to leave the EU?
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Intentionally obtuse are we?

Every multinational based in the UK, that will not leave the UK, WILL leave the EU. They don't need to say a damn thing, that is what will happen unless they move to the EU. Vast difference between empty, news bite, threats and the cold hard reality ...
 
NarrowBandFtw said:
Intentionally obtuse are we?

Every multinational based in the UK, that will not leave the UK, WILL leave the EU. They don't need to say a damn thing, that is what will happen unless they move to the EU. Vast difference between empty, news bite, threats and the cold hard reality ...
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Not obtuse, just rational (unlike some).

Can you name these multinationals that WILL leave the EU? ie a multinational company that WILL move staff, offices or infrastructure out of the EU, in the same way multinationals have/will do from the UK...
 
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